X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3556139 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:16:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.122; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090323121544.UUFV28114.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@computername> for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:15:44 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Another pix of center iron Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:15:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AcmrdJHz0KaWM3T/TMWqjX+BDt4bCQAOeR2g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20090323121544.UUFV28114.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@computername> Sounds like a "good news" "bad news" tale, Chris. The good news is that you found the problem, the bad news is you found the problem fix may cost $500.00 I have heard of folks building up metal through welding and grinding and "fixing" that kind of flaw - but, I don't think I would want it in my aircraft. If anyone had any center housings in the local area, you might be able to find a good "used" one for considerably cheaper than $500.00. Someone on the list may have a good "used" one for the price of shipping. Hard to say what caused the problem, there had been occasional problems reported with casting core shifts which produced thin "O" ring walls, but that does not appear to be the cause in your case. I think we all automatically give a visual check - However, if the piece were broken but still in place, it might have been hard to detect that way. The Coolant "O" ring lans is one area that I recommend folks check using a dental pick. I run it around on the inside and outside corner bottom of the "O" ring groove and if it catches or hangs on anything - check that area thoroughly - it may indicate a crack or weak casting area. I know its easy for somebody watching from a distance to say , well, now you have identified the problem and a fix is available ($$), given the time and effort you have put into it - perhaps one more push is all that is needed to produce a good reliable engine (i.e. new center housing). I have had a leaking coolant situation twice in my rotor flying (once early on when I over heated while using stock coolant "O" rings - went to the Teflon encapsulated silicone O rings) and once when I stupidly decided to ignore a sign of a problem during a hasty engine rebuild which led to cooking even an TES O ring. During my Louisiana rebuild back a few years ago, I aborted a take off due to a engine which was missing (producing plenty of power but missing slightly), back on the ramp, when I pulled the prop through water spewed from the spark plug hole like old faithful - not a nice sight. Spent 4 weeks in Louisiana taking care of that problem. I personally believe you should find another housing and try one more time. Good luck, whatever your decision. Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of cbarber@texasattorney.net Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:58 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Another pix of center iron Another picture of my bad center plate. Sigh.... Chris __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com