X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3498300 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:20:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from [192.168.0.19] (really [66.57.38.121]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090218031950.OIMG17503.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.0.19]> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:19:50 +0000 Message-ID: <499B7EC5.9030507@nc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:21:41 -0500 From: Ernest Christley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: hauling gas References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SHIPCHIEF@aol.com wrote: > That's an interesting antecdotal story, and I believe it's true. And a > cracking tower would be a lot more likely to have fuel vapor around due to the scale > and nature of the operation. > But the question remains, in our application, has anyone EVER put a meter > between the aircraft and the fuel nozzle to see if any static voltage exists? > I think the burning linemen in those military videos I've watched would say, "Damn the voltmeters! Just ground the airplane." But, heh, those guys weren't smart enough to stay out of a FIRE. What do they know? > Why is it not required for cars? Is there any significant difference? They > are both grounded thru the carbon black in the tires? > The tires of the car are constantly grounded (unless you're one of the Duke boys), and the fuel pump at the gas station is tied directly to ground. You've kept your airplane wheels off the ground for a while, and park beside the fuel truck on a concrete pad (much higher resistance than asphalt or dirt). The static charge has to pass through your tires, the concrete and then the truck's tires to equalize. How long does that take? It's a simple RC circuit. No problem to calculate if you know the capacitance of your fuel system, how much static has built up, and the path resistance. > I'm not advocating unsafe operation here; I just want the facts so I know > where the potential danger is really coming from, not some armchair monday > morning quaterback, look over your shoulder whiner's dictum, like not allowing you > to fuel your own car in Oregon. Oregonians look just as smart as anyone else to > me? > > > The danger is very real, and the USAF has the coroner's reports to prove it (notice the 's' at the end of report). If you don't ground your plane, nothing will happen for the vast majority of the time. But that last time you don't do it, may well be the last time you'll ever have to worry about it. I generally think there is to much scaremongering in the aviation community, but this is a known problem with a bonehead simple solution. Its one of those situations where smart pilots use their superior judgement to avoid having to use their superior skills. -- http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org