X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtai114.cox.net ([68.230.241.46] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3433589 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:39:58 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.46; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090119162955.VWBB12838.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:29:55 -0500 Received: from wills ([68.105.85.56]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5UVs1b00S1CvZmk03UVueP; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:29:54 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7IJn8fpp7nIA:10 a=zV6du6UhJVMA:10 a=fN7KZKRRAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=87mBK6oDpjnpUTeXRXEA:9 a=ugplZtSGom8m7yCAA0cA:7 a=2ii2C22imFUQnJZc5pFBGxNvUx0A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=ok68_o4NJqgA:10 a=q2gMhC_2HOwCLSeYgbMA:9 a=aGSw1a7zLmg9Flh8ikMA:7 a=qK89x-FLXtz4mHM0jJ07Fpuffe0A:4 a=iVkDmfvjeKcA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <004c01c97a53$2809b990$38556944@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Paul Lamar's Simple Fuel Injection Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:29:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C97A10.1997BD50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C97A10.1997BD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul has a talent for designing stuff that is better than anything ever = designed by anyone else (in his not so humble opinion), but then never = building it and flying it. Tracy on the other hand sells stuff that is = flight tested and proven. I've definitely had my issues with the EC2 and would like to see some = changes (sure would be nice to be able to connect a laptop or PalmPC via = a USB to see/modify the MAP tables). But its about as simple as you can = get, is inexpensive for what it does, and has thousands of hours of real = world testing behind it. I guess my question would be why would you want anything else? If Tracy = were charging thousands of $ for the EC2 I might understand looking at = alternatives. But at the prices Tracy charges, his stuff is one of the = screaming deals in aviation. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:12 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Paul Lamar's Simple Fuel Injection Could it work? Of course it could, given enough development. =20 Nit picks: =20 I see no redundancy. It's still pretty basic and I see no implementation of ignition timing = optimization (important for best economy). Oh, Wait, I see no ignition at all, where is it? or are we waiting = for the soon to come 555 ignition system? Requires modifying or replacing the crank sensor trigger wheel. Paul has obviously built one of these things, why can't he tell us how = well it works? He said it best in the following excerpt from his web page: " I can not guarantee this system will work as well as Klaus's [more = complex 555 EFI] system as the devil is always in the details. " = (emphasis mine) Somebody build it and try it so we'll know. Tracy On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Michael McMahon = wrote: > I haven't seen any response on this list to the article that Paul = Lamar > posted a couple days ago (below). I'm very interested in objective > discussion of merits and flaws, and there hasn't been much on the = Rotary > Engines list. Has anyone read it? Any opinions? > > Thanks, Michael > >>>>> Not entirely done as I will be updating it from time to time = depending > on your questions. >>>>> http://www.rotaryeng.net/simple-cheap-555.html >>>>> Paul Lamar > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C97A10.1997BD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul has a talent for designing stuff = that is=20 better than anything ever designed by anyone else (in his not so humble=20 opinion), but then never building it and flying it. Tracy on the other = hand=20 sells stuff that is flight tested and proven.
 
I've definitely had my issues with the = EC2 and=20 would like to see some changes (sure would be nice to be able to connect = a=20 laptop or PalmPC via a USB to see/modify the MAP tables). But its about = as=20 simple as you can get, is inexpensive for what it does, and has = thousands of=20 hours of real world testing behind it.
 
I guess my question would be why would = you want=20 anything else? If Tracy were charging thousands of $ for the EC2 I might = understand looking at alternatives. But at the prices Tracy charges, his = stuff=20 is one of the screaming deals in aviation.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 = 7:12=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Paul = Lamar's=20 Simple Fuel Injection

Could it work?  Of course it could, given enough=20 development.  

Nit picks:  
I see no=20 redundancy.

It's still pretty basic and I see no implementation = of=20 ignition timing optimization (important for best economy).

Oh, = Wait, I=20 see no ignition at all, where is it?  or are we waiting for the = soon to=20 come 555 ignition system?

Requires modifying or replacing the = crank=20 sensor trigger wheel.


Paul has obviously built one of these = things,=20 why can't he tell us how well it works?

He said it best in the=20 following excerpt from his web page:

"  I can not = guarantee this=20 system will work as well as Klaus's [more complex 555 EFI] system as = the=20 devil is always in the details. "  (emphasis = mine)

Somebody=20 build it and try it so we'll know.

Tracy


On Mon, Jan = 19,=20 2009 at 5:07 AM, Michael McMahon <afm528@gmail.com> = wrote:
> I=20 haven't seen any response on this list to the article that Paul = Lamar
>=20 posted a couple days ago (below).  I'm very interested in=20 objective
> discussion of merits and flaws, and there hasn't = been much=20 on the Rotary
> Engines list.   Has anyone read it? =  Any=20 opinions?
>
> Thanks,=20  Michael
>
>>>>> Not entirely done as I = will be=20 updating it from time to time depending
> on your=20 questions.
>>>>> http://www.rotary= eng.net/simple-cheap-555.html
>>>>>=20 Paul Lamar
>
>
> --
> Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
> = Archive=20 and UnSub:   http:= //mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
>

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