X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.192] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTPS id 3433133 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:31:53 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.192; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-171-208.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.171.208]) by mail11.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id n0J6V65T014397 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:31:08 +1100 Message-ID: From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:31:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C97A53.55F62A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090118-0, 18/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C97A53.55F62A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, I would like to have the components for a single rotor - perhaps = P-ported. Wouldn't that sucker be powerful and light. We would really see some major improvements with less weight, I would = suggest. Interestingly, the chrome molly end and intermediate housings developed = by Powersport (but never sold), were the same weigh as the aluminium = housings. I wish I had thought of that 5 or 10 years ago. George (down under) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders You're probably correct about the time period, George. =20 However, if you take the CC increase, the torque increase across the = entire rpm range (as you indicated) and the lighter weight, there is no = question in my mind that its going to be a significant improvement for = aircraft. I calculated that it should put out close to 220 HP at a = little over 6500 rpm. Perhaps more important, you can swing a larger = (or additional blades) on a prop for more low airspeed performance given = the additional torque from the engine. =20 You are correct, thought, until we actually get one of the beast in = our hands, its all speculation. If its much over 5 years, I may just = have to convert to a Renesis {:>) =20 Ed =20 Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of George Lendich Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:41 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders =20 Ed,=20 From what I've read, and taking the current economic climate and their = effect of car sales,into consideration, I suspect it will be another = five or six years away. =20 I don't believe the engine will be much more powerful but torqier with = the larger stroke. The design will be slanted toward pollution control, = rather than extra power, as evidence by the narrowing of the rotor to = retain more heat in the combustion chamber, for more complete fuel burn. =20 Some suggest for better power a wider rotor (combustion chamber) would = be better suited to our needs as in the Aixro (spelling ?) go-cart motor = - which has had some success in micro-light aircraft requiring up to 50 = hp. =20 Personally I unsure, but the proof will be in the finished product. George ( down under) =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:14 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom = Insiders =20 Thanks, Bob =20 I really like this part : =20 A fundamental part of Mazda's heritage, the gasoline rotary engine, = will be substantially upgraded in the early 2010s. Currently referred to = as the 16X, the next rotary engine will offer substantially improved = performance and economy through use of Direct Injection Spark Ignition = and high-speed combustion technology, enfolded in new rotary dimensions. =20 Early 2010's? I guess that might include 2011? That was another = sources estimate. Well, if that happens, then my next rotary transplant = will be the 16B - can't wait.=20 =20 Ed =20 Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html =20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus = signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C97A53.55F62A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed,
I would like to have the components for = a single=20 rotor - perhaps P-ported.
Wouldn't that sucker be powerful and=20 light.
We would really see some major = improvements with=20 less weight, I would suggest.
Interestingly, the chrome molly end and = intermediate housings developed by Powersport (but never sold), were the = same=20 weigh as the aluminium housings. I wish I had thought of that 5 or = 10 years=20 ago.
George (down under)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 = 11:06=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: = Exclusively=20 For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders

You=92re = probably=20 correct about the time period, George.

 

However, if = you take=20 the CC increase, the torque increase across the entire rpm range (as = you=20 indicated) and the lighter weight, there is no question in my mind = that its=20 going to be a significant improvement for aircraft.  I calculated = that it=20 should put out close to 220 HP at a little over 6500 rpm.  = Perhaps more=20 important, you can swing a larger (or additional blades) on a prop for = more=20 low airspeed performance given the additional torque from the=20 engine.

 

You are = correct,=20 thought, until we actually get one of the beast in our hands, its all=20 speculation.  If its much over 5 years, I may just have to = convert to a=20 Renesis {:>)

 

Ed

 

Ed=20 Anderson

Rv-6A = N494BW Rotary=20 Powered

Matthews,=20 NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 = 4:41=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: = Exclusively=20 For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders

 

Ed,=20

From what I've read, and = taking=20 the current economic climate and their effect of car sales,into=20 consideration, I suspect it will be another five or six = years=20 away.

 

I don't believe the = engine will be=20 much more powerful but torqier with the larger stroke. The design will = be=20 slanted toward pollution control, rather than extra power, as evidence = by the=20 narrowing of the rotor to retain more heat in the combustion chamber, = for more=20 complete fuel burn.

 

Some suggest for better = power a=20 wider rotor (combustion chamber) would be better suited to = our needs=20 as in the Aixro (spelling ?) go-cart motor - which has had some = success in=20 micro-light aircraft requiring up to 50=20 hp.

 

Personally I unsure, but = the proof=20 will be in the finished product.

George ( down=20 under)   

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Ed=20 Anderson

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent: Monday,=20 January 19, 2009 4:14 AM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom=20 Insiders

 

Thanks,=20 Bob

 

I really = like this=20 part :

 

A = fundamental=20 part of Mazda's heritage, the gasoline rotary engine, will be = substantially=20 upgraded in the early 2010s. Currently referred to as the 16X, the = next=20 rotary engine will offer substantially improved performance and = economy=20 through use of Direct Injection Spark Ignition and high-speed = combustion=20 technology, enfolded in new rotary = dimensions.

 

Early = 2010=92s? I=20 guess that might include 2011?  That was another sources=20 estimate.  Well, if that happens, then my next rotary = transplant will=20 be the 16B =96 can=92t wait.

 

Ed

 

Ed=20 Anderson

Rv-6A = N494BW Rotary=20 Powered

Matthews, = NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

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