X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3432916 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:06:44 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.122; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090119010606.NXSI2046.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@computername> for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:06:06 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:06:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C979A8.36180420" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acl5tZCr1WMEOZtnRZGiy6QhYIWuMQAG8Nig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-Id: <20090119010606.NXSI2046.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@computername> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C979A8.36180420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're probably correct about the time period, George. However, if you take the CC increase, the torque increase across the entire rpm range (as you indicated) and the lighter weight, there is no question in my mind that its going to be a significant improvement for aircraft. I calculated that it should put out close to 220 HP at a little over 6500 rpm. Perhaps more important, you can swing a larger (or additional blades) on a prop for more low airspeed performance given the additional torque from the engine. You are correct, thought, until we actually get one of the beast in our hands, its all speculation. If its much over 5 years, I may just have to convert to a Renesis {:>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:41 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders Ed, From what I've read, and taking the current economic climate and their effect of car sales,into consideration, I suspect it will be another five or six years away. I don't believe the engine will be much more powerful but torqier with the larger stroke. The design will be slanted toward pollution control, rather than extra power, as evidence by the narrowing of the rotor to retain more heat in the combustion chamber, for more complete fuel burn. Some suggest for better power a wider rotor (combustion chamber) would be better suited to our needs as in the Aixro (spelling ?) go-cart motor - which has had some success in micro-light aircraft requiring up to 50 hp. Personally I unsure, but the proof will be in the finished product. George ( down under) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:14 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders Thanks, Bob I really like this part : A fundamental part of Mazda's heritage, the gasoline rotary engine, will be substantially upgraded in the early 2010s. Currently referred to as the 16X, the next rotary engine will offer substantially improved performance and economy through use of Direct Injection Spark Ignition and high-speed combustion technology, enfolded in new rotary dimensions. Early 2010's? I guess that might include 2011? That was another sources estimate. Well, if that happens, then my next rotary transplant will be the 16B - can't wait. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C979A8.36180420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You’re probably correct about = the time period, George.

 

However, if you take the CC = increase, the torque increase across the entire rpm range (as you indicated) and the = lighter weight, there is no question in my mind that its going to be a = significant improvement for aircraft.  I calculated that it should put out = close to 220 HP at a little over 6500 rpm.  Perhaps more important, you can swing a = larger (or additional blades) on a prop for more low airspeed performance given the additional torque from the engine.

 

You are correct, thought, until we actually get one of the beast in our hands, its all speculation.  = If its much over 5 years, I may just have to convert to a Renesis = {:>)

 

Ed

 

Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered

Matthews, NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com=

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

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From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Sunday, January 18, = 2009 4:41 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom Insiders

 

Ed,

From what I've read, and taking the current economic = climate and their effect of car sales,into consideration, I suspect it will = be another five or six years away.

 

I don't believe the engine will be much more powerful = but torqier with the larger stroke. The design will be slanted toward = pollution control, rather than extra power, as evidence by the narrowing of the = rotor to retain more heat in the combustion chamber, for more complete fuel = burn.

 

Some suggest for better power a wider rotor = (combustion chamber) would be better suited to our needs as in the Aixro = (spelling ?) go-cart motor - which has had some success in micro-light aircraft requiring up to 50 hp.

 

Personally I unsure, but the proof will be in the = finished product.

George ( down under)    =

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Ed Anderson

Sent: Monday, = January 19, 2009 4:14 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Fwd: Exclusively For Mazda Zoom-Zoom = Insiders

 

Thanks, = Bob

 

I really like this part = :

 

A fundamental = part of Mazda's heritage, the gasoline rotary engine, will be substantially = upgraded in the early 2010s. Currently referred to as the 16X, the next rotary = engine will offer substantially improved performance and economy through use of = Direct Injection Spark Ignition and high-speed combustion technology, enfolded = in new rotary dimensions.

 

Early 2010’s? I guess that = might include 2011?  That was another sources estimate.  Well, if = that happens, then my next rotary transplant will be the 16B – = can’t wait.

 

Ed

 

Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered

Matthews, NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com=

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

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