Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #41692
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Still fighting the good fight against the machine/rotary
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:57:49 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Chris,
Keep your spirits up, you'll get it all sorted out eventually and be a better person in the end.  As for the rough running on B, I would copy A to B since A runs pretty well, then see how B runs.  After copying, it should run the same on B as it does on A. 

I'm puzzled as to why it won't restart for a few hours.  It may be related to the reason it quit on the previous run.  If it got too much fuel and flooded, it may take a while until restart is possible.  Have you checked the plugs after a run to see if they're wet, fouled, etc?  If you give it a shot of gas, or WD-40 down the intake will it restart?  I think you need to determine if it is fuel or spark that prevents restart.  My guess is that it is fuel related.  I'm assuming that your alternator is charging the battery while running?  If not, that could be the problem.  As I recall, the coils quit firing at about 9.5v.  So, if your battery is low and you crank the engine, the voltage drops even lower, you won't get any spark.  Just some thoughts here...

Heading out to the airport today to do the latest EC-2 upgrade per Tracy's latest email.

Mark S.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Christopher Barber <CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:
Still plodding along down here in Houston trying to develop my 13b.  It is starting up with some difficulty when I first get to the hangar and running more smoothly as I ease my way through the auto program routines.  I spent Tuesday and Wednesday (my weekend) doing a lot of "I gotta get back to that" tasks and made some wire connections permanent, secured my panel <g>(...even if fiberglass, it is a pain to work with a floppy panel), replaced some wires (my oil temp wire was toast....thus causing 44 degrees to read for oil temp on the EM with no change.  It is reading true now that that one pesky little wire has been replaced and rerun.
 
I am still having problems with Controller "B".  When I switch from A to B, the engine seems to want to stall, since the engine will not restart for a few hours (so far) after a run I flip back to A before this happens.  At higher RPM I can make the switch between controllers and it does not stall, but runs significantly rougher.  Could this just be due to the Auto Program refinements not yet being transferred to "B"?
 
After my various efforts of the last few days I decided to run some base diagnostics on the machine since I had made so many little changes/improvements(?) over the last few days.  Meaning I did the diagnostic modes on the coils and the injectors.  When I first arrived I started the engine and started tweaking and testing.  One of the test I performed was to disable the primaries and secondary's in succession.  When I disable the secondary's I did not notice any change in the way the engine sounded, but when I disable the primaries the engine would start to shut down...so I quickly flipped the switch back up to the on position to avoid the shut down.  I did this a few more times over the next couple of minutes with the same results.  Hmmmmm.  Anyway, I decided to put this to the side for a moment and I pushed the throttle to WOT.  WOW, the temps rose pretty darn quickly at full throttle.....the temps were staying around 150 ish at idle and the lower RPM, but really soared at full tilt.  The displayed RPM on the EM are still jumping all over the place since I have not addressed this issue as of yet....flickers from 2000, to 4800, to 1200 back to 2000, to 4900 ish with a few numbers in what I think in the correct range predominating the various numbers.  I was a bit disappointed that the highest number I saw with WOT was only about 4999 ish.  Seems low.  Is the fact the engine only has a few hours on it and or is still not tweaked a reason for this, or is this expected sitting half in, half out of the hangar....yeah, the prop bit is outside in the sunshine <g>?
 
Finally, for tonight anyway, back to the injectors.  After my data gathering run was complete I went to the diagnostic mode on the ECU.  When I tested the injectors as if they were firing at 3000 rpm I disable the primaries and could clearly hear the secondary's clicking away from inside the cabin.  When I disabled the secondary's I couldn't hear anything until I stuck my head outside the cabin.  When I went around to the engine I could clearly hear the primaries clicking away, but at a MUCH reduced volume of the secondary's.  Does this matter.  Do the two different types have this significant of a sound difference?  Could this explain the about mentioned shutting down with the injectors were turned off during the engine run?
 
As always guys, thanks for your kind considerations.  As I have mentioned before all commentary is welcome.  I am not insulted by the most basic suggestions and observations.  I am way to close to it at times to notice the obvious but open enough to learn what I didn't even know I didn't know.
 
Eventually I may get over the sensation that every time I run the thing, let alone run it at high RPM, that I am doing some great harm as opposed to just be pleased and amazed that this engine Dave Staten and I built actually runs at all.
 
Like my messy and cluttered hangar....these messy and cluttered emails are signs of PROGRESS (yeah, that's it)
 
All the best,
 
Chris

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