X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2770168 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:31:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.40; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v3Rn1Y00p0QkzPwA40bb00; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:30:25 +0000 Received: from ChristopherNB ([98.200.104.55]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vFWy1Y0071Bjm5N8N00000; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:31:00 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=B-enCzNhybMA:10 a=fZXum9xmBp2PIlLCHKkA:9 a=FkSlC0ZVFjOMK-8IJ18A:7 a=J6HmW2nI1Efg0VGaG8sB5G0JIE4A:4 a=ufO146cb3fEA:10 a=tcd0YDNAogDbhVc5HrEA:9 a=M85Y7hlwPB95jpz9D98A:7 a=LMgCHojqoravrBIeDagLodB6j4gA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: From: "Christopher Barber" To: "FlyRotary aircraft" Subject: Still fighting the good fight against the machine/rotary Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:30:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021A_01C87A51.31478710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C87A51.31478710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still plodding along down here in Houston trying to develop my 13b. It = is starting up with some difficulty when I first get to the hangar and = running more smoothly as I ease my way through the auto program = routines. I spent Tuesday and Wednesday (my weekend) doing a lot of "I = gotta get back to that" tasks and made some wire connections permanent, = secured my panel (...even if fiberglass, it is a pain to work with a = floppy panel), replaced some wires (my oil temp wire was toast....thus = causing 44 degrees to read for oil temp on the EM with no change. It is = reading true now that that one pesky little wire has been replaced and = rerun. I am still having problems with Controller "B". When I switch from A to = B, the engine seems to want to stall, since the engine will not restart = for a few hours (so far) after a run I flip back to A before this = happens. At higher RPM I can make the switch between controllers and it = does not stall, but runs significantly rougher. Could this just be due = to the Auto Program refinements not yet being transferred to "B"? After my various efforts of the last few days I decided to run some base = diagnostics on the machine since I had made so many little = changes/improvements(?) over the last few days. Meaning I did the = diagnostic modes on the coils and the injectors. When I first arrived I = started the engine and started tweaking and testing. One of the test I = performed was to disable the primaries and secondary's in succession. = When I disable the secondary's I did not notice any change in the way = the engine sounded, but when I disable the primaries the engine would = start to shut down...so I quickly flipped the switch back up to the on = position to avoid the shut down. I did this a few more times over the = next couple of minutes with the same results. Hmmmmm. Anyway, I = decided to put this to the side for a moment and I pushed the throttle = to WOT. WOW, the temps rose pretty darn quickly at full = throttle.....the temps were staying around 150 ish at idle and the lower = RPM, but really soared at full tilt. The displayed RPM on the EM are = still jumping all over the place since I have not addressed this issue = as of yet....flickers from 2000, to 4800, to 1200 back to 2000, to 4900 = ish with a few numbers in what I think in the correct range = predominating the various numbers. I was a bit disappointed that the = highest number I saw with WOT was only about 4999 ish. Seems low. Is = the fact the engine only has a few hours on it and or is still not = tweaked a reason for this, or is this expected sitting half in, half out = of the hangar....yeah, the prop bit is outside in the sunshine ? Finally, for tonight anyway, back to the injectors. After my data = gathering run was complete I went to the diagnostic mode on the ECU. = When I tested the injectors as if they were firing at 3000 rpm I disable = the primaries and could clearly hear the secondary's clicking away from = inside the cabin. When I disabled the secondary's I couldn't hear = anything until I stuck my head outside the cabin. When I went around to = the engine I could clearly hear the primaries clicking away, but at a = MUCH reduced volume of the secondary's. Does this matter. Do the two = different types have this significant of a sound difference? Could this = explain the about mentioned shutting down with the injectors were turned = off during the engine run? As always guys, thanks for your kind considerations. As I have = mentioned before all commentary is welcome. I am not insulted by the = most basic suggestions and observations. I am way to close to it at = times to notice the obvious but open enough to learn what I didn't even = know I didn't know. Eventually I may get over the sensation that every time I run the thing, = let alone run it at high RPM, that I am doing some great harm as opposed = to just be pleased and amazed that this engine Dave Staten and I built = actually runs at all. Like my messy and cluttered hangar....these messy and cluttered emails = are signs of PROGRESS (yeah, that's it) All the best, Chris ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C87A51.31478710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Still plodding along down here in = Houston trying to=20 develop my 13b.  It is starting up with some difficulty when I = first get to=20 the hangar and running more smoothly as I ease my way through the auto = program=20 routines.  I spent Tuesday and Wednesday (my weekend) doing a lot = of "I=20 gotta get back to that" tasks and made some wire connections permanent, = secured=20 my panel <g>(...even if fiberglass, it is a pain to work with = a=20 floppy panel), replaced some wires (my oil temp wire was toast....thus = causing=20 44 degrees to read for oil temp on the EM with no change.  It = is=20 reading true now that that one pesky little wire has been replaced and=20 rerun.
 
I am still having problems with = Controller=20 "B".  When I switch from A to B, the engine seems to want to stall, = since=20 the engine will not restart for a few hours (so far) after a run I flip = back to=20 A before this happens.  At higher RPM I can make the switch between = controllers and it does not stall, but runs significantly rougher.  = Could=20 this just be due to the Auto Program refinements not yet being = transferred to=20 "B"?
 
After my various efforts of the last = few days I=20 decided to run some base diagnostics on the machine since I had made so = many=20 little changes/improvements(?) over the last few days.  Meaning I = did the=20 diagnostic modes on the coils and the injectors.  When I first = arrived I=20 started the engine and started tweaking and testing.  One of the = test I=20 performed was to disable the primaries and secondary's in = succession.  When=20 I disable the secondary's I did not notice any change in the way the = engine=20 sounded, but when I disable the primaries the engine would start to shut = down...so I quickly flipped the switch back up to the on position to = avoid the=20 shut down.  I did this a few more times over the next couple of = minutes=20 with the same results.  Hmmmmm.  Anyway, I decided to put this = to the=20 side for a moment and I pushed the throttle to WOT.  WOW, the temps = rose=20 pretty darn quickly at full throttle.....the temps were staying around = 150 ish=20 at idle and the lower RPM, but really soared at full tilt.  The = displayed=20 RPM on the EM are still jumping all over the place since I have not = addressed=20 this issue as of yet....flickers from 2000, to 4800, to 1200 back to = 2000, to=20 4900 ish with a few numbers in what I think in the correct range = predominating=20 the various numbers.  I was a bit disappointed that the highest = number I=20 saw with WOT was only about 4999 ish.  Seems low.  Is the fact = the=20 engine only has a few hours on it and or is still not tweaked a reason = for this,=20 or is this expected sitting half in, half out of the hangar....yeah, the = prop=20 bit is outside in the sunshine <g>?
 
Finally, for tonight anyway, back to = the=20 injectors.  After my data gathering run was complete I went to the=20 diagnostic mode on the ECU.  When I tested the injectors as if they = were=20 firing at 3000 rpm I disable the primaries and could clearly hear the=20 secondary's clicking away from inside the cabin.  When I disabled = the=20 secondary's I couldn't hear anything until I stuck my head outside the=20 cabin.  When I went around to the engine I could clearly hear the = primaries=20 clicking away, but at a MUCH reduced volume of the secondary's.  = Does this=20 matter.  Do the two different types have this significant of a = sound=20 difference?  Could this explain the about mentioned shutting down = with the=20 injectors were turned off during the engine run?
 
As always guys, thanks for your kind=20 considerations.  As I have mentioned before all commentary is=20 welcome.  I am not insulted by the most basic suggestions and=20 observations.  I am way to close to it at times to notice the = obvious but=20 open enough to learn what I didn't even know I didn't know.
 
Eventually I may get over the sensation = that every=20 time I run the thing, let alone run it at high RPM, that I am doing some = great=20 harm as opposed to just be pleased and amazed that this engine Dave = Staten and I=20 built actually runs at all.
 
Like my messy and cluttered = hangar....these messy=20 and cluttered emails are signs of PROGRESS (yeah, that's = it)
 
All the best,
 
Chris
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