X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2761533 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:03:42 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.148; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Feb 2008 09:46:06 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m1SEk5Ew032247 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:46:05 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m1SEjuBV021268 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:46:05 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:45:45 -0500 Received: from [10.82.233.112] ([10.82.233.112]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:45:45 -0500 Message-ID: <47C6C918.9000500@nc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:45:44 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2008 14:45:45.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[9970CF10:01C87A18] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=echristley@nc.rr.com; dkim=neutral Todd Bartrim wrote: > So please post any comments as to your opinion of the product. I > understand that may be some time before you run your engine, but let us know > about the application process as well. > Ah! My 'opinion'. Just like butts, everybody has one, and most stink; but here's my impression. Preparation is key. I've seen several recommendations for an alcohol wipe down. I'll be soaking my rotors in a bucket of MEK. You have to use a sandblasting media that will gouge the surface. Glass beads smash and smooth the surface, so they're not a good choice. Silica or aluminum oxide are the best choices. Next up is application thickness. Spray just enough to get a solid color. A thick coat will do just like paint...shrink and crack. The TechLine Coatings have to be baked. 300F degrees for an hour for the non-professional products. The babbit in the bearings is good to 350. The professional products cook at a higher temp (400?, and give off hazardous gases in the process), and so would not be compatible with the babbit. I'm going to go out later and see if I can find a toaster oven large enough for the rotors. Supposedly, you can use the non-professional products in a food oven, but I ain't goin' there, considering there will probably be residual oils baking off at the same time that would ruin the oven. I've never developed a taste for Quaker State biscuits. I'm going to use the WSJ lubricant on the side and intermediate housings after I lap them, just because it is simple and convenient to do. I make no representation of what the long term efficacy will be. It is a complete experiment that will take years to show any results (and how would I test it without a control anyway), but it is only about $25. I'll also see if I can coat the oil, corner, side and apex seals, but I don't hold much hope for that to be effective at all. I thought about coating the journal sections of the crank with the ceramic lubricant, but that's just silly I think. The point of journaled bearings is that oil is pressed into the joint, and there isn't any metal-to-metal contact. There'd be no gain for the work required. Many of the service coat the oil pump, also. Again, seeing how the pump is immersed in oil, I don't see much gain in the work involved. Coating the main and rotor gears should be useful, as will coating the crank drive gear. > I couldn't help but notice the "no airplane" symbol beside each product > referring to the shipping, but I'd bet if you told them your intentions for > use, they'd say it applies there as well. > That means it can't be shipped by air, because it is a hazardous chemical. But you knew that and were just pulling my leg. Right?