X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2332499 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:45:21 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.131.115; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from mwebmail19.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2007091514444311100pvtt9e>; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:44:43 +0000 Received: from [4.245.48.49] by mwebmail19.att.net; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:44:43 +0000 From: keltro@att.net (Kelly Troyer) To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:44:43 +0000 Message-Id: <091520071444.14683.46EBEFDA00016FCC0000395B2160281060019D9B040A05@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14683_1189867483_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14683_1189867483_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark, I am with Bob........Air gap too big between pickup and Renesis timing wheel ??.... Need to know as my EC-2 is set up for Renesis wheel and pickup........You will have probably found solution to a problem I may encounter in the future........Eagerly waiting for solution to mystery !! -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold -------------- Original message from bmears9413@aol.com: -------------- I haven't cheated and looked at the manual.....since your gonna tell us anyway...eventually...but problems I've had before in race cars...plug wires running parallel to each other, and too large of air gap in the pickup in the distributor. Close??? Bob Mears Supermarine Spitfire -----Original Message----- From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:53 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys Ed, You are getting closer when you stated that it must be erratic ignition. (I wish I had someone to give me hints). Yes, the ignition timing was too far advanced, but retarding the timing didn't correct the problem. The coils are LS1 units, 6 ea, so any individual coil isn't firing any more often than on a 2-rotor. So, what's causing the erratic ingition? That's the question. Mark On 9/15/07, Ed Anderson wrote: Hey, No Fair! Mark. Most of us do not have a Renesis shop manual. But, lets see the old CS had three wires, the new one has two wires - I get it - there is a wire missing {:>). So it sounds like the problem was indeed ignition - well, its almost always either fuel or spark causing a problem. So if fuel is more or less ruled out it defaults to ignition. It probably wouldn't be a rev limiter as they simply cut out above a certain rpm. So either your ignition timing somehow was off at higher rpm (too much advance?) or else your ignition was erratic in its firing (such as exceeding the capability of the coils to recharge between firings - unlikely in this case). But, without a shop manual to give me more insight, I must say I'm out of ideas. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:52 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys Now Rusty!!! That's too obvious. ;-) OK, another hint... I got a hint of what might be causing my problem from the ignition section of the Renesis shop manual. Mark On 9/14/07, Russell Duffy wrote: OK, I'll give you a hint... it was related to my decision to change over from the original CAS to the Renesis CAS. I got that bright idea from last year's rotary get together at Tracy's. I've got it. YOU were the problem :-) Rusty Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14683_1189867483_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Mark,
I am with Bob........Air gap too big between pickup and Renesis timing wheel ??.... Need to know as my EC-2 is set up for Renesis wheel and
pickup........You will have probably found solution to a problem I may
encounter in the future........Eagerly waiting for solution to mystery !! 
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold




-------------- Original message from bmears9413@aol.com: --------------

I haven't cheated and looked at the manual.....since your gonna tell us anyway...eventually...but problems I've had before in race cars...plug wires running parallel to each other, and too large of air gap in the pickup in the distributor.   Close???

Bob Mears
Supermarine Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 7:53 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

Ed,
You are getting closer when you stated that it must be erratic ignition.  (I wish I had someone to give me hints).  Yes, the ignition timing was too far advanced, but retarding the timing didn't correct the problem.  The coils are LS1 units, 6 ea, so any individual coil isn't firing any more often than on a 2-rotor.  So, what's causing the erratic ingition?  That's the question.
 
Mark

 
On 9/15/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Hey, No Fair! Mark.   Most of us do not have a Renesis shop manual.  But, lets see the old CS had three wires, the new one has two wires - I get it - there is a wire missing {:>).
 
  So it sounds like the problem was  indeed ignition - well, its almost always either fuel or spark causing a problem.  So if fuel is more or less ruled out it defaults to ignition.  It probably wouldn't be a rev limiter as they simply cut out above a certain rpm.  So either your ignition timing somehow was off at higher rpm (too much advance?)  or else your ignition was erratic in its firing (such as exceeding the capability of the coils to recharge between firings - unlikely in this case).
 
But, without a shop manual to give me more insight, I must say I'm out of ideas.
 
Ed
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: One for the smart guys

 
Now Rusty!!!  That's too obvious.  ;-)
 
OK, another hint... I got a hint of what might be causing my problem from the ignition section of the Renesis shop manual. 
 
Mark

 
On 9/14/07, Russell Duffy <rusty@radrotary.com > wrote:
OK, I'll give you a hint... it was related to my decision to change over from the original CAS to the Renesis CAS.  I got that bright idea from last year's rotary get together at Tracy's.    
 
I've got it.  YOU were the problem :-) 
 
Rusty


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