X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.195] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTPS id 2284749 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:10:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.195; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d211-31-81-188.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.31.81.188]) by mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l7Q09SLP008896 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:09:29 +1000 Message-ID: <00a101c7e775$5ff57460$bc511fd3@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Carb Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:09:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C7E7C9.30D22670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C7E7C9.30D22670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy Thanks for that info. I have been trying to get my mind around how to establish the best = vacuum signal around idle, and like you said it's a pretty small signal. The flat ground needles seem to have overcome this with their design as = they claim that the flat side ( rear) of the needle creates a vacuum = sufficient to lift fuel 6" to 8" with 1 PSI fuel pressure - which I = found difficult to comprehend. These carbs have the so called 'perfect = inlet shape', I assume by this they mean no venturi ( choke) or = butterfly restrictions. What also amazes me is that in all the Internet carb calculators provide = answers in CFM, yet these carb manufacturers rarely give that type of = flow information, especially Edelbrock and Aero Carb - I wonder why? Revmaster didn't have it readily to hand but did go to the trouble to = find out. It all seems very strange to me!! Further investigation required!!=20 George ( down under) I think this is the spec on ventury vacuum (V V) at max specified CFM. = Performance carbs (generally 4 barrels) are designed with about 1/2 the = ventury drop as "grocery getter" carb designs. The less the V V, the = better WOT performance (more MAP) but the harder it is to design due to = the smaller signal. 10" H2O is a pretty small signal for MAX CFM.=20 BTW, This is unrelated to throat size. Tracy Crook =20 On 8/23/07, George Lendich wrote:=20 Ed, Lynn, Bill or anyone. I'm trying to figure out how to extrapolate various air flow figures = which have different vacuum testing parameters such as those with 10" of = water verses those with 12" of water and 20.4" of water. I don't know = where the 20.4" of water comes from, but apparently it does exist. I assume there is some calculation which can be applied? I'm only concerned with extrapolating from one ( known value like = 10") to another ( like 12") - for comparison purposes. George ( down under) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: = 23/08/2007 4:04 PM ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C7E7C9.30D22670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Tracy
Thanks for that info.
I have been trying to get my mind around how to establish the best = vacuum=20 signal around idle, and like you said it's a pretty small signal.
 
The flat ground needles seem to have = overcome this=20 with their design as they claim that the flat side ( rear) of the needle = creates=20 a vacuum sufficient to lift fuel 6" to 8" with 1 PSI fuel pressure = - which=20 I found difficult to comprehend. These carbs have the so called 'perfect = inlet=20 shape', I assume by this they mean no venturi ( choke) or butterfly=20 restrictions.
 
What also amazes me is that in all the = Internet=20 carb calculators provide answers in CFM, yet these carb manufacturers = rarely=20 give that type of flow information, especially Edelbrock and Aero Carb - = I=20 wonder why?
 
Revmaster didn't have it readily to = hand but did go=20 to the trouble to find out. It all seems very strange to = me!!
 
Further investigation = required!! 
George ( down under)
 

I think this is the spec on ventury vacuum (V V) at max specified = CFM.  Performance carbs (generally 4 barrels) are designed with = about 1/2=20 the ventury drop as "grocery getter" carb designs.  The less the = V V, the=20 better WOT performance (more MAP) but the harder it is to = design due to=20 the smaller signal.  10" H2O is a pretty small signal for MAX = CFM.
 
BTW, This is unrelated to throat size.
 
Tracy Crook

 
On 8/23/07, George=20 Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>=20 wrote:=20
Ed, Lynn, Bill or = anyone.
I'm trying to figure out how to = extrapolate=20 various air flow figures which have different vacuum testing = parameters such=20 as those with 10" of water verses those with 12" of water and 20.4" = of=20 water. I don't know where the 20.4" of water comes from, but = apparently it=20 does exist.
I assume there is some calculation = which can be=20 applied?
I'm only concerned with = extrapolating from one=20 ( known value like 10") to another ( like 12") - for comparison = purposes.
George ( down=20 under)


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