X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 30 [X] Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.103] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 2016765 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:34:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-103-061.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.103.61]) by ms-smtp-04.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3U0XMlH006381 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004001c78abf$5130fca0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle body size Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:34:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C78A9D.C9D58260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C78A9D.C9D58260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the great air mass demands of the three rotor 100mm sounds OK to me. = You are pulling approx 50% more air mass than the two rotor. =20 One mitigating factor is the type of intake in back of the TB. You want = high velocity mixture flowing in our intake to use the airmass inertia = to stuff the combustion chamber fully. This generally means smaller = intake diameters (for our operating regime). Keep in mind we are not = talking about race engines but engines that have to develop enough = torque to pull the prop up into our operating rpm regime. Long, smaller = diameter intakes move the torque down the rpm range and large short = diameter intakes move it up. But, if you don't develop enough torque at = 5000 rpm to get through that point then having an engine designed for = 8000 rpm won't do a thing for you. IF you have any intake runner length at all, then I seriously doubt a = large throttle body provides any clear benefit in our usage. Clearly, = you don't want one too small - like most things in our hobby - finding = the correct balance is the key factor. But, on the other hand, I think experimenting to find out if results = meet our expectations is what this is all about. So let us know what = size you use, Buly and your impressions. Ed Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle body size Buly, I went with a 100mm Holly TB for my 20B. Its probably too big, but = that's better than it being too little. So far, it seems to be working = just fine. =20 Mark =20 On 4/29/07, Bulent Aliev wrote:=20 I originally planned and tried TA set up on my Cosmo 13B. Soon after the first few flights removed the turbo and vent NA. At the time did = not pay much attention on the throttle body size, counting on the turbo to make up for any losses. Today I measured the inside opening of the TB and was surprised to find it was only 60mm. This is rather small. Paul Lamar on his visit also said I should get a bigger one. = I=20 wander what size TB other people are using, or any comments and suggestions on the matter will be helpful. Buly -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=20 Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C78A9D.C9D58260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the great air mass demands of the three = rotor 100mm=20 sounds OK to me.  You are pulling approx 50% more air mass than the = two=20 rotor. 
 
One mitigating factor is the type of intake in = back of the=20 TB.  You want high velocity mixture flowing in our intake to use = the=20 airmass inertia to stuff the combustion chamber fully.  This = generally=20 means smaller intake diameters (for our operating regime).  Keep in = mind we=20 are not talking about race engines but engines that have to develop = enough=20 torque to pull the prop up into our operating rpm regime.  Long, = smaller=20 diameter intakes move the torque down the rpm range and large short = diameter=20 intakes move it up.  But, if you don't develop enough torque at = 5000 rpm to=20 get through that point then having an engine designed for 8000 rpm won't = do a=20 thing for you.
 
IF you have any intake runner length at all, = then I=20 seriously doubt a large throttle body provides any clear benefit in our=20 usage.  Clearly, you don't want one too small - like most things in = our=20 hobby - finding the correct balance is the key factor.
 
But, on the other hand, I think experimenting to = find out=20 if results meet our expectations is what this is all about.  So let = us know=20 what size you use, Buly and your impressions.
 
Ed
 
 
Ed
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = Steitle=20
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 = 8:07=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Throttle body=20 size

Buly,
I went with a 100mm Holly TB for my 20B.  Its = probably too=20 big, but that's better than it being too little.  So far, it = seems to be=20 working just fine.   
 
Mark

 
On 4/29/07, Bulent=20 Aliev <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>=20 wrote:=20
I=20 originally planned and tried TA set up on my Cosmo 13B. Soon = after
the=20 first few flights removed the turbo and vent NA. At the time did =
not pay=20 much attention on the throttle body size, counting on the
turbo = to make=20 up for any losses. Today I measured the inside opening
of the TB = and was=20 surprised to find it was only 60mm. This is rather
small. Paul = Lamar on=20 his visit also said I should get a bigger one. I
wander what = size TB=20 other people are using, or any comments and
suggestions on the = matter=20 will be=20 = helpful.

Buly





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