X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 80 [XXX] (67%) BODY: contains text similar to "low payment" (33%) URL: contains host with port number Return-Path: Received: from smtprh03.spirittelecom.com ([165.166.0.79] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTPS id 1917523 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:23:44 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=165.166.0.79; envelope-from=jewen@comporium.net X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@spirittelecom.com X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v0.5.2 smtprh03.spirittelecom.com l2CNMmKZ010146 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/simple; d=comporium.net; s=spiritmail; t=1173741777; bh=uwtIL9/KF2fjwfh7ryhqw1oTLGc=; h=Message-ID:From:To: References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority: X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-Virus-Scanned: X-Virus-Status; b=VWtDSPwdr0gesybirgd7Z/QI6/Yr8I3gPEv53yyLWysyhdGrs HMEyV4H9/i+ZIXhefVh8eEFiz+hku/FLVru7g== Received: from Engineer1 (208-104-22-65.lnhe.2wcm.comporium.net [208.104.22.65] (may be forged)) by smtprh03.spirittelecom.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with SMTP id l2CNMmKZ010146 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:22:57 GMT Message-ID: <000101c764fd$59782ce0$6f05a8c0@cooleygroup.local> From: "Joe Ewen" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: A solution? was : The truth??? / Injector flow rate mystery solved Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:12:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C764C9.A77BA1D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/2825/Mon Mar 12 17:11:35 2007 on smtprh03.spirittelecom.com X-Virus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C764C9.A77BA1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My original thoughts regarding a dropping resistor were the result of = being bored while lying in bed with a 102 degree fever, otherwise I = would have likely been working on my airplane. In the end, I believe = Tracy is likely the best person to devise the ultimate solution. But in = fairness to Tracy, he seems to be a rather busy person juggling his = manufacturing, airplane building, technical support, and product = development may not leave much time to work on this particular issue. = So I threw my 2 cents into the ring. My first though was an RC circuit, = but thought it may not be a reasonable solution due to its Time/Decay = rates. Last point I would like to make is anyone considering using a MOV = "Please read the following info:"=20 http://www.iaei.org/subscriber/magazine/04_b/04_b_brown.htm Like any solid state device an MOV is subject to degradation (quickly if = the power through it is greater than its heat dissipation capacity). = Further, unlike many other solid state devices that fail in the off = state when they loose their internal smoke - a MOV can fail in the ON = state. Sincerely, Joe (Hoping I have not offended anyone, or be banned from FlyRotary like = so many others have been from the other list.) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: marv@lancair.net=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:30 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: A solution? was : The truth??? / Injector = flow rate mystery solved What about MOV's? Typical transient response time measured in = nanoseconds... =20 "Steven Boese" wrote: Ed and Joe, The diode in the EC2 allows the current from the collapse of the injector magnetic field to flow to the positive supply rail (~14V); it doesn't oppose this. A resistor allowing this current to flow would also result in a close delay since the current flowing is what = maintains the magnetic field during this delay. What is needed is a way to decrease the rate of voltage rise just after the EC2 pulse ends so arcing in the A/B selection relay is suppressed. After the relay contacts open enough that an arc is no longer possible (which = shouldn't take long) an open circuit condition now would allow the injector to close quickly. The arcing may or may not be a problem any given tim Ed =20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C764C9.A77BA1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My original thoughts regarding a = dropping resistor=20 were the result of being bored while lying in bed with a 102 degree = fever,=20 otherwise I would have likely been working on my airplane.  In the = end, I=20 believe Tracy is likely the best person to devise the ultimate = solution. =20 But in fairness to Tracy, he seems to be a rather busy person juggling = his=20 manufacturing, airplane building, technical support, and product = development may=20 not leave much time to work on this particular issue.  So I threw = my 2=20 cents into the ring.  My first though was an RC circuit, but = thought it may=20 not be a reasonable solution due to its Time/Decay rates.
 
Last point I would like to make is = anyone=20 considering using a MOV "Please read the=20 following info:" 
http= ://www.iaei.org/subscriber/magazine/04_b/04_b_brown.htm
 
Like any solid state device an MOV is = subject to=20 degradation (quickly if the power through it is greater than its heat=20 dissipation capacity).  Further, unlike many other solid state = devices that=20 fail in the off state when they loose their internal smoke -  a MOV = can=20 fail in the ON state.
 
Sincerely,
Joe (Hoping I have not offended anyone, = or be=20 banned from FlyRotary like so many others have been from the other=20 list.)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 marv@lancair.net=20
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 = 2:30=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: A = solution? was=20 : The truth??? / Injector flow rate mystery solved

What about = MOV's?  Typical=20 transient response time measured in nanoseconds...

   = <Marv>  




"Steven Boese" <sboese@uwyo.edu> = wrote:

Ed and=20 Joe,

The diode in the EC2 allows the current from the collapse = of=20 the
injector magnetic field to flow to the positive supply rail = (~14V);=20 it
doesn't oppose this. A resistor allowing this current to flow=20 would
also result in a close delay since the current flowing is = what=20 maintains
the magnetic field during this delay. What is needed is a = way=20 to
decrease the rate of voltage rise just after the EC2 pulse ends=20 so
arcing in the A/B selection relay is suppressed. After the=20 relay
contacts open enough that an arc is no longer possible (which = shouldn't
take long) an open circuit condition now would allow the = injector=20 to
close quickly. The arcing may or may not be a problem any given = tim=20 Ed
 

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