X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1917243 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:13:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.243; envelope-from=rotary.thjakits@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so1323082anc for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:12:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BWj1PZRnobEgcbzHijvQWyrDg+YYyxpJ8uAauFGKHZaciLCiFAvwG9BgLHTguf8l4e+xjy+61YiJkr7+za7WxpS4eyg3dXQDn0Tof2GJ7Z6mN6Zm+Edpo2XeIaaUmfdV6wCrjyyP0cDelbixXyW7XSLq+1kVvRGmZ1rRdQ9JVyg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=S+T8g0P8F7M9ukJWyDoob7zh+rSbjDy/6sbjegjbG+LF5L9muCA1J8x+4IAhbXX9uhicqnpd6u8cq7pOoxF6hFZXtmUDTcOOR3kbgkYcPHcrG6PdbNe56dvHhPNEGa5qpjmlNbgHPyyo7UBf0rit7ex7RK8yzpai6eqNXOeKvko= Received: by 10.100.174.16 with SMTP id w16mr163864ane.1173730336654; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.195.12 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <63163d560703121312u3a851a50hdf4a4ec8fda4b053@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:12:16 -0500 From: "Thomas Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Jet-A In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10591_15803148.1173730336562" References: ------=_Part_10591_15803148.1173730336562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Bill, well, I was afraid that asking orbit would not work (...for us). I guess that's why Francois started his own development too. I hope very much that your system works, as I doubt that Mistral will make their system available as a stand a lone for homebuilders, as they d owith their PSRU and backplate... Francois? The Siemens parts would probably be cheapest if you buy an "accident" and re-sell all the other stuff!":) Where are you located? Do they sell Direct-injection Audis where you are? I understand BMW and Mercedes also have common rail EFI Diesels..... Thomas On 3/12/07, WRJJRS@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/11/2007 4:51:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rotary.thjakits@gmail.com writes: > > Bill (Jepson), > > didn't you start to "work" on a direct-injection/ignition system to be > used on the Rotary for burning Jet-A/Diesel? > If I am not mistaken..... - any progress on this? > I think you talked about using some outborder-injection system/parts.... > > Best Regards, > > Thomas J > > Thomas, > I was researching direct injection yes. I was looking at the injectors > from Merc 2 cycle DI outboards, which would be suitable. The injectors used > on the Opti-max Mercurys are designed by orbital in Austrailia. They are not > very cooperative with anyone that isn't an OEM. I talked to them and the > tech and engineering guys agreed that the system would work. Then they said > to send them 20-30,000 dollars and we could get started!! Way too expensive > to get started. I'm not really too upset as the orbital isn't a true direct > injection anyway, it has a max injection pressure of 3 bar. I have been > since looking at the system used on the newest Audis, manufactured by > Siemens. Very exciting system! It will run on gasoline or diesel for the > possibility of a true multi-fuel system. For Jet-A it would be a spark > ignition heavy fuel not diesel in the rotary. I am hoping the Siemens system > will be cheaper and more available since it is used in cars. I priced out > the parts for the Mercury system and it was just too expensive to buy over > the counter. It might have bought the parts, but without being sure they > would work, I just couldn't afford to take the chance. I am certain the Audi > parts could be made to work so I'm working on finding a source. BTW Mistral > is well along on a Jet-A fueled rotary, and has been running one for some > time. They will release it fir production soon. don't know HP but it will be > NA. Probably a bit less than the 190-200 they are getting fron the NA > gasoline 2 rotor. > Cheers, > Bill Jepson > > > > ------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at *AOL.com* . > ------=_Part_10591_15803148.1173730336562 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi Bill,
well, I was afraid that asking orbit would not work (...for us). I gue= ss that's why Francois started his own development too.
I hope very much that your system works, as I doubt that Mistral will = make their system available as a stand a lone for homebuilders, as they d o= with their PSRU and backplate...
Francois?
 
The Siemens parts would probably be cheapest if you buy an "= accident" and re-sell all the other stuff!":)
Where are you located? Do they sell Direct-injection Audis where you a= re?
I understand BMW and Mercedes also have common rail EFI Diesels.....
 
Thomas

 
On 3/12/07, = WRJJRS@aol.com <WRJJRS@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 3/11/2007 4:51:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, rotary.thjakits@gmail.com writes:=
Bill (Jepson),
 
didn't you start to "work" on a direct-injection/ignitio= n system to be used on the Rotary for burning Jet-A/Diesel?
If I am not mistaken..... - any progress on this?
I think you talked about using some outborder-injection system/parts..= ..
 
Best Regards,
 
Thomas J
Thomas,
 I was researching direct injection yes. I was looking at the inj= ectors from Merc 2 cycle DI outboards, which would be suitable. The injecto= rs used on the Opti-max Mercurys are designed by orbital in Austrailia. The= y are not very cooperative with anyone that isn't an OEM. I talked to t= hem and the tech and engineering guys agreed that the system would work.&nb= sp;Then they said to send them 20-30,000 dollars and we could get started!!= Way too expensive to get started. I'm not really too upset as the orbi= tal isn't a true direct injection anyway, it has a max injection pressu= re of 3 bar. I have been since looking at the system used on the newest Aud= is, manufactured by Siemens. Very exciting system! It will run on gasoline = or diesel for the possibility of a true multi-fuel system. For Jet-A it wou= ld be a spark ignition heavy fuel not diesel in the rotary. I am hoping the= Siemens system will be cheaper and more available since it is used in cars= . I priced out the parts for the Mercury system and it was just too expensi= ve to buy over the counter. It might have bought the parts, but without bei= ng sure they would work, I just couldn't afford to take the chance. I a= m certain the Audi parts could be made to work so I'm working on findin= g a source. BTW Mistral is well along on a Jet-A fueled rotary, and has bee= n running one for some time. They will release it fir production soon. don&= #39;t know HP but it will be NA. Probably a bit less than the 190-200 = they are getting fron the NA  gasoline 2 rotor.
Cheers,
 Bill Jepson



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