X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 50 [XX] (67%) RECEIVED: IP not found on home country list (33%) BODY: contains text similar to "usd millions" Return-Path: Received: from [201.225.225.168] (HELO cwpanama.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.6) with ESMTP id 1846918 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:47:24 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.168; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.94.164] (HELO usuario5ebe209) by frontend2.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 101284554 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:06:01 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c75434$b6e7ddf0$a45ee0c9@usuario5ebe209> From: "Thomas y Reina Jakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: OFF Subject Re: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - off subject Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:36:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C75401.18DAA030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C75401.18DAA030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Had a closer look at your pics. The gimble seems to be a spacecam, but can't tell if the camera is = integrated or if it is a regular camera in a gimbal mount. $3K sounds = rather cheap for this kind of equipment... :) Kevin, don't start Africa-experience reports!!!! This would be a = hairraising, endless entertainment!! :) Best Regards, Thomas ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin lane=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: OFF Subject Re: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera = - off subject he thought that it was about $1500/hr for the helo and $3000/day for = the camera. he was telling me about flying into a small strip in a jet = in Africa. I mentioned that the engines are much higher off the ground = than a prop. he said that reverse thrust covered the wings with rocks. = scary job. he was glad that he wasn't departing in that plane. kevin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas y Reina Jakits=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:01 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] OFF Subject Re: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - = off subject Kevin, WOW!!! A friend of mine has a somewhat "cheap" version, only about $200K = (Cineflex) on a somewhat more expensive tripod ($2.2M for a AS350B3 - = no, not the one I got checked out on....). The one in your photo seems = to be a B2 or BA. What is the brand of the gimbal/camara? I doubt that they ever have a need to go to 90=BA!! It is an awesome move though - on my checkout I was demo-ed a 70=AA = nose-down and a 110=AA roll over, after that a couple of level 70-80=AA = turns (there you really start to feel some g's! The 70=BA starts as a HOGE at around 2000' AOL and ends as a = highspeed, soft, pull out of the dive. The 110=BA starts as a highspeed climbing (20=BA) turn, bleeding off = speed at the top and just keep rolling and let the machine dive - no = pulling g's until pulling out of the dive. If you are ever in one of these maneuvers you start to feel sorry = for the camera! Your comments give me hope though that, if I ever have the chance to = fly a gimbal/camera like this, it would not be boring. Generally the producer want's you to be nothing than a steady tripod = and let the camera engineer do all the fun (yes, there is no more such = person like a camera-man on these things :)) On lower budget productions = the TV-camera is shoulder or bungee supported which prevents maximum use = of the zoom as shaking (from the helicopter, wind buffet, etc.) shows in = the picture - that means the camera/helo has to get close to the object. = The cameraman tries to keep the cam as steady as possible and generally = the helo does all the interesting moves - that's where I get the most = fun!! Best Regards, Thomas :) PS: The cineflex goes for about $6K per day, what this puppy? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin lane=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - off subject never seen this before, a $1.5M camera and a $1.5M "tripod"! they = are filming downtown and stopped for fuel. can you believe they flew = this 6 hrs from LA.? (that's $9,000+ one way) the gyro mount can handle = 110 degrees of bank! (that's past vertical) the pilot admitted he's = never been past 90 however. kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C75401.18DAA030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Had a closer look at your pics.
The gimble seems to be a spacecam, but can't = tell if the=20 camera is integrated or if it is a regular camera in a gimbal mount. $3K = sounds=20 rather cheap for this kind of equipment... :)
 
Kevin, don't start=20 Africa-experience reports!!!! This would be a hairraising, endless=20 entertainment!! :)
 
Best Regards,
 
Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 kevin = lane=20
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 = 1:29=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: OFF = Subject Re:=20 [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - off subject

he thought that it was = about $1500/hr=20 for the helo and $3000/day for the camera.  he was telling me = about=20 flying into a small strip in a jet in Africa.  I mentioned that = the=20 engines are much higher off the ground than a prop.  he = said that=20 reverse thrust covered the wings with rocks.  scary job.  he = was=20 glad that he wasn't departing in that plane.   = kevin
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas y=20 Reina Jakits
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, February 18, = 2007 5:01=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] OFF = Subject Re:=20 [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - off subject

Kevin,
 
WOW!!!
 
A friend of mine has a somewhat "cheap" = version, only=20 about $200K (Cineflex) on a somewhat more expensive tripod ($2.2M = for a=20 AS350B3 - no, not the one I got checked out on....). The one in your = photo=20 seems to be a B2 or BA.
 
What is the brand of the = gimbal/camara?
 
I doubt that they ever have a need to go to=20 90=BA!!
 
It is an awesome move though - on my = checkout I was=20 demo-ed a 70=AA nose-down and a 110=AA roll over, after that a = couple of level=20 70-80=AA turns (there you really start to feel some = g's!
The 70=BA starts as a HOGE at around 2000' = AOL and ends=20 as a highspeed, soft, pull out of the dive.
The 110=BA starts as a = highspeed climbing (20=BA)=20 turn, bleeding off speed at the top and just keep rolling and let = the=20 machine dive - no pulling g's until pulling out of the = dive.
If you are ever in one of these maneuvers = you start to=20 feel sorry for the camera!
 
Your comments give me hope though that, if I = ever have=20 the chance to fly a gimbal/camera like this, it would not be=20 boring.
Generally the producer want's you to be = nothing than a=20 steady tripod and let the camera engineer do all the fun (yes, there = is no=20 more such person like a camera-man on these things :)) On = lower=20 budget productions the TV-camera is shoulder or bungee supported = which=20 prevents maximum use of the zoom as shaking (from the helicopter, = wind=20 buffet, etc.) shows in the picture - that means the camera/helo = has to=20 get close to the object. The cameraman tries to keep the cam as = steady as=20 possible and generally the helo does all the interesting moves - = that's=20 where I get the most fun!!
 
Best Regards,
 
Thomas :)
 
PS: The cineflex goes for about $6K per day, = what this=20 puppy?
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 kevin lane=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, February = 17, 2007=20 6:56 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] 3 = rotors &=20 camera - off subject

never seen this before, = a $1.5M=20 camera and a $1.5M "tripod"!  they are filming downtown and = stopped=20 for fuel.  can you believe they flew this 6 hrs from LA.? = (that's=20 $9,000+ one way)  the gyro mount can handle 110 degrees of = bank!=20 (that's past vertical)  the pilot admitted he's never been = past 90=20 however.   kevin

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