X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 10 [X] Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.6) with ESMTP id 1845556 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:40:08 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.240.77.82; envelope-from=n3773@comcast.net Received: from rv8 (c-24-21-141-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.141.28]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2007021818392001200pmc3ie>; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:39:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c7538c$1a678ff0$1c8d1518@rv8> Reply-To: "kevin lane" From: "kevin lane" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] OFF Subject Re: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - off subject Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:29:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C75347.BA53B560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C75347.BA53B560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable he thought that it was about $1500/hr for the helo and $3000/day for the = camera. he was telling me about flying into a small strip in a jet in = Africa. I mentioned that the engines are much higher off the ground = than a prop. he said that reverse thrust covered the wings with rocks. = scary job. he was glad that he wasn't departing in that plane. kevin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas y Reina Jakits=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:01 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] OFF Subject Re: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - = off subject Kevin, WOW!!! A friend of mine has a somewhat "cheap" version, only about $200K = (Cineflex) on a somewhat more expensive tripod ($2.2M for a AS350B3 - = no, not the one I got checked out on....). The one in your photo seems = to be a B2 or BA. What is the brand of the gimbal/camara? I doubt that they ever have a need to go to 90=BA!! It is an awesome move though - on my checkout I was demo-ed a 70=AA = nose-down and a 110=AA roll over, after that a couple of level 70-80=AA = turns (there you really start to feel some g's! The 70=BA starts as a HOGE at around 2000' AOL and ends as a = highspeed, soft, pull out of the dive. The 110=BA starts as a highspeed climbing (20=BA) turn, bleeding off = speed at the top and just keep rolling and let the machine dive - no = pulling g's until pulling out of the dive. If you are ever in one of these maneuvers you start to feel sorry for = the camera! Your comments give me hope though that, if I ever have the chance to = fly a gimbal/camera like this, it would not be boring. Generally the producer want's you to be nothing than a steady tripod = and let the camera engineer do all the fun (yes, there is no more such = person like a camera-man on these things :)) On lower budget productions = the TV-camera is shoulder or bungee supported which prevents maximum use = of the zoom as shaking (from the helicopter, wind buffet, etc.) shows in = the picture - that means the camera/helo has to get close to the object. = The cameraman tries to keep the cam as steady as possible and generally = the helo does all the interesting moves - that's where I get the most = fun!! Best Regards, Thomas :) PS: The cineflex goes for about $6K per day, what this puppy? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin lane=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - off subject never seen this before, a $1.5M camera and a $1.5M "tripod"! they = are filming downtown and stopped for fuel. can you believe they flew = this 6 hrs from LA.? (that's $9,000+ one way) the gyro mount can handle = 110 degrees of bank! (that's past vertical) the pilot admitted he's = never been past 90 however. kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C75347.BA53B560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
he thought that it was about = $1500/hr for=20 the helo and $3000/day for the camera.  he was telling me about = flying into=20 a small strip in a jet in Africa.  I mentioned that the engines are = much=20 higher off the ground than a prop.  he said that reverse = thrust=20 covered the wings with rocks.  scary job.  he was glad that he = wasn't=20 departing in that plane.   kevin
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas y=20 Reina Jakits
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 = 5:01=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] OFF = Subject Re:=20 [FlyRotary] 3 rotors & camera - off subject

Kevin,
 
WOW!!!
 
A friend of mine has a somewhat "cheap" = version, only=20 about $200K (Cineflex) on a somewhat more expensive tripod ($2.2M for = a=20 AS350B3 - no, not the one I got checked out on....). The one in your = photo=20 seems to be a B2 or BA.
 
What is the brand of the = gimbal/camara?
 
I doubt that they ever have a need to go to=20 90=BA!!
 
It is an awesome move though - on my checkout = I was=20 demo-ed a 70=AA nose-down and a 110=AA roll over, after that a couple = of level=20 70-80=AA turns (there you really start to feel some g's!
The 70=BA starts as a HOGE at around 2000' AOL = and ends as=20 a highspeed, soft, pull out of the dive.
The 110=BA starts as a highspeed climbing = (20=BA) turn,=20 bleeding off speed at the top and just keep rolling and let the = machine dive -=20 no pulling g's until pulling out of the dive.
If you are ever in one of these maneuvers you = start to=20 feel sorry for the camera!
 
Your comments give me hope though that, if I = ever have=20 the chance to fly a gimbal/camera like this, it would not be=20 boring.
Generally the producer want's you to be = nothing than a=20 steady tripod and let the camera engineer do all the fun (yes, there = is no=20 more such person like a camera-man on these things :)) On = lower=20 budget productions the TV-camera is shoulder or bungee supported which = prevents maximum use of the zoom as shaking (from the helicopter, wind = buffet,=20 etc.) shows in the picture - that means the camera/helo has to = get close=20 to the object. The cameraman tries to keep the cam as steady as = possible and=20 generally the helo does all the interesting moves - that's where I get = the=20 most fun!!
 
Best Regards,
 
Thomas :)
 
PS: The cineflex goes for about $6K per day, = what this=20 puppy?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 kevin = lane=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, February 17, = 2007 6:56=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] 3 rotors = &=20 camera - off subject

never seen this before, a = $1.5M=20 camera and a $1.5M "tripod"!  they are filming downtown and = stopped for=20 fuel.  can you believe they flew this 6 hrs from LA.? (that's = $9,000+=20 one way)  the gyro mount can handle 110 degrees of bank! = (that's past=20 vertical)  the pilot admitted he's never been past 90=20 however.   kevin

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