Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #33933
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: solder vs. crimp;
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:06:34 -0700
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

This subject is almost like discussing religion or politics.  But I’ll offer this.  I’ve got lots of soldered connections in my plane – any loop terminal carrying more than a 2-3 amps is soldered, every spade terminal carrying more than a few amps, and any wire splice.  The solder is there primarily to make good electrical connection, not so much for the mechanical connection.

 

D-subs and hi-density d-subs are very small and are used only for very low current loads.  These pins were never intended to be soldered.  For about $45 you can get a good d-sub crimper that will make repeatable, reliable connections in less than have the time of soldering.  After doing a hundred or so solder socket pins for the EC2 and EM2; and doing about 200 crimp-on d-subs for the EFIS and avionics, and examining the results a couple of years later; my opinion is crimping is clearly the way to go; aside from the non-removable pin factor.  Yes the good crimp pins are more expensive than the solder socket, but compared to the price of your project and the time you save; that’s not a factor.

 

But, hey; whatever blows your hair back.

 

Al

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Todd Bartrim
Sent:
Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:55 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: solder vs. crimp;

 

I second your view Charlie;

            It is my opinion (take that for what it cost you :-), that the

primary reason that crimping is standard for the aircraft industry is just

that... standards. Anybody trained to do the job properly on the factory

floor will easily be able to make a standard quality crimped connection,

with little distinquishable difference between the job done by any number of

employees.

            It is my opinion (again, as before..) that you could get an employee

capable of making a superior soldered connection, unfortunately the guy on

the next shift may only be skilled enough to make an adequate connection,

while the next shift may be even better than the first guy.. on a good day..

or not? This non-standard job would be totally unacceptable in an industry

that relies on standards. Removing worker skill level from the equation

makes for better quality control in a factory environment.

            In our application I think it is the responsibility of the builder

to truthfully determine if he has the skill necessary to perform an

acceptable (or better) soldering job, otherwise crimping is the better

choice.

 

S. Todd Bartrim       (probably inhaled too many soldering fumes)

C-FSTB

Turbo13B RV9

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#C-FSTB

http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm

 

 

 

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I must respectfully offer a somewhat modified view.

 

In general, crimped connectors are only reliable if done with very high

quality crimpers, costing many 10's to hundreds of dollars. In a

production environment, big bucks for a crimper means any klutz who can

squeeze can be very productive.

 

Soldered joints are prone to corrosion only if corrosive flux is used.

Improperly crimped pins can have corrosion within the joint, just like a

riveted or bolted structural joint. Crystallizing is a product of

improper technique, not the soldering process itself. Breakage from

vibration is an issue with either technique; the stress riser on a

crimped joint is much sharper than a soldered joint. Proper support just

outside the joint is the remedy, whichever process is chosen.

 

Milled pins are certainly better than the rolled sheet metal pins, but

with proper technique, they can be soldered with relatively inexpensive

equipment.

 

FWIW,

 

Charlie

 

 

 

 

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