X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.68] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.5) with ESMTP id 1454806 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:40:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.68; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm64aec.bellsouth.net ([209.214.146.48]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061011024017.MBDU431.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm64aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:40:17 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [209.214.146.48]) by ibm64aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20061011024016.MVWL17329.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:40:16 -0400 Message-ID: <452C5990.5090303@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:40:16 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: solder vs. crimp; was: Re: Latest EC2 updates, Installation notes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Ewen wrote: > I second Al opinion on not using soldered Dsub connectors. In my > opinion crimped Dsub connectors are more professional and potentially > reliable. Soldered connections are more prone to corrosion, cold > solder joints, crystallizing and breakage from vibration. I am not > saying I do not have any solder joints in my airplane, but there are > none anywhere in the engine controller circuit. If you are looking > for a source for milled pins - Steinair.com, $25 /c for pins and > sockets. Crimped (milled) pins and sockets are much easier and IMO > result in a more professional installation. snipped I must respectfully offer a somewhat modified view. In general, crimped connectors are only reliable if done with very high quality crimpers, costing many 10's to hundreds of dollars. In a production environment, big bucks for a crimper means any klutz who can squeeze can be very productive. Soldered joints are prone to corrosion only if corrosive flux is used. Improperly crimped pins can have corrosion within the joint, just like a riveted or bolted structural joint. Crystallizing is a product of improper technique, not the soldering process itself. Breakage from vibration is an issue with either technique; the stress riser on a crimped joint is much sharper than a soldered joint. Proper support just outside the joint is the remedy, whichever process is chosen. Milled pins are certainly better than the rolled sheet metal pins, but with proper technique, they can be soldered with relatively inexpensive equipment. FWIW, Charlie