Return-Path: Received: from fed1mtao08.cox.net ([68.6.19.123] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.3) with ESMTP id 2590257 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:05:34 -0400 Received: from BigAl ([68.107.116.221]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20030923050528.IRMQ14291.fed1mtao08.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:05:28 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Power on a cold day was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Some turbo thoughts from a pro .... Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:05:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c38190$5354b580$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C38155.A6F5DD80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C38155.A6F5DD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rusty, the rotary engine (for what ever reason) just LOOOVVVVVEEEESSS those cooler days. I have had fuel flow of over 20 gph on take off when OAT was 28F. That calculates out to over 200HP, static RPM was 5800 rpm vice a nominal of 5200 on a "normal" day. I've never said anything about it because 1. Who would believe me 2. Who would believe me? and 3. Who would believe me? Anytime the OAT is below 65F or so my static RPM increases about 200 rpm for ever 10F further temp drop. Ed; The only problems with this is 1. I don't believe it, 2. I don't believe it; and 3, I find it hard to believe :-). The air density change is proportional to the change in absolute temp, so 10F is about 2%. Maybe 3 hp? Gee, we don't really need to turbo because the adiabatic temp drop with altitude will overcome the loss of power due to altitude :-). Could there be some other effect going on here? Fuel density is also changing. How are you measuring fuel flow. One problem with hp inferred from fuel burn is that we know that the rotary's don't burn all that fuel to make power. Fuel is burning right on out into the exhaust pipe, and the amount of unburned fuel varies with a lot of other factors. Al ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C38155.A6F5DD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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Rusty, the = rotary engine (for what ever reason) just LOOOVVVVVEEEESSS those cooler days.  I = have had fuel flow of over 20 gph on take off when OAT was 28F.  That calculates out to over 200HP, static RPM was 5800 rpm vice a nominal of = 5200 on a "normal" day.  I've never said anything about it = because 1.  Who would believe me 2.  Who would believe me? and 3. Who = would believe me?   Anytime the OAT is below 65F or so my static RPM increases about 200 rpm for ever 10F further temp = drop.

 

Ed;

 

The only problems with this is 1. = I don’t believe it, 2. I don’t believe it; and 3, I find it hard to = believe J.=

The air density change is = proportional to the change in absolute temp, so 10F is about  2%.  Maybe 3 = hp?  Gee, we don’t really need to turbo because the adiabatic temp drop = with altitude will overcome the loss of power due to altitude = J. Could there = be some other effect going on here? Fuel density is also changing.  How are = you measuring fuel flow.

 

 One problem with hp = inferred from fuel burn is that we know that the rotary’s don’t burn all = that fuel to make power.  Fuel is burning right on out into the exhaust = pipe, and the amount of unburned fuel varies with a lot of other = factors. 

 

Al

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