X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from S1.cableone.net ([24.116.0.227] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 1038883 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:38:58 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.116.0.227; envelope-from=crayd@cableone.net Received: from chuckathlon (unverified [69.92.218.28]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 50389915 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:38:47 -0700 Return-Path: From: "Chuck Dunlap" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Motor teardown results Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:40:01 -0700 Message-ID: <011c01c64b17$9144e420$6501a8c0@chuckathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011D_01C64ADC.E4E60C20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://mail.lancaironline.net) (http://mail.lanca) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 2, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.218.28 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C64ADC.E4E60C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just now removed the remaining apex seals from the failed rotor, they both broke in half getting them out. They are the one piece spring style. I can't find any record of the group buy, but they must have been Hurley seals. =20 The good rotor has two springs, so they must be the Mazdatrix seals. I reported before that the good rotor with the new rotor housing had chatter marks as well, they are not too bad after 150 hours but may not have lasted another 150 hours. =20 The free height on the one piece spring measured .195" which is within Mazda limits, does anyone know if the limit is different for the one piece spring? =20 Cary, I normally cruise between 5700 and 6000 RPM, but usually lower if just flying around locally. I don't have a scale that would measure seal weights. =20 Thanks, everyone for helping sort this out. =20 Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:18 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Motor teardown results Chuck,Tracy and all, I also was in the group buy of Hurley Seals in 2002........We had a choice of Racing seals (two springs) or the so called Long Life seal (one spring).........Do you recall which you have Chuck ? The Racing seal was more expensive........ -- Kelly Troyer=20 Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2=20 -------------- Original message from "Tracy Crook" : --------------=20 One more question Chuck, Were the apex seals you were using single or dual spring type? This would help identify the original source. Hurley seals use a single spring while Atkins seals use dual springs (stock Mazda type). =20 =20 Tracy=20 =20 =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Motor teardown results Hi Chuck; A couple more questions. Did you typically cruise at 6000rpm for most of the hours? other ranges? Are the apex seal springs still in spec? Do you have a gram scale to weight the seals? someone might be able to=20 identify them that way? Thanks Cary -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/ ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C64ADC.E4E60C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I just=20 now removed the remaining apex seals from the failed rotor, they both = broke in=20 half getting them out. They are the one piece spring style. I can't find = any=20 record of the group buy, but they must have been Hurley=20 seals.
 
The=20 good rotor has two springs, so they must be the Mazdatrix seals. I = reported=20 before that the good rotor with the new rotor housing had chatter marks = as well,=20 they are not too bad after 150 hours but  may not have lasted = another 150=20 hours.
 
The=20 free height on the one piece spring measured .195" which is within Mazda = limits,=20 does anyone know if the limit is different for the one piece=20 spring?
 
Cary,=20 I normally cruise between 5700 and 6000 RPM, but usually lower if just = flying=20 around locally. I don't have a scale that would measure seal=20 weights.
 
Thanks, everyone for helping sort this out.
 
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: = Rotary motors in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Kelly=20 Troyer
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:18 AM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Motor teardown=20 results

Chuck,Tracy and all,
      I also was in the group buy of = Hurley=20 Seals in 2002........We had a choice of
Racing seals (two springs) or the so called Long Life seal (one=20 spring).........Do you
recall which you have Chuck ? The Racing seal was more=20 expensive........
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke=20 Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




--------------=20 Original message from "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com>: = --------------=20

One more question Chuck,  Were the apex seals you were = using=20 single or dual spring type?   This would help identify the = original source.  Hurley seals use a single spring while Atkins = seals=20 use dual springs (stock Mazda type).
 
 
Tracy
 
 
Subject: [FlyRotary] Motor teardown results

Hi Chuck;

A couple more = questions.

Did you=20 typically cruise at 6000rpm for most of the hours? other = ranges?
Are=20 the apex seal springs still in spec?
Do you have a gram scale = to weight=20 the seals? someone might be able to
identify them that=20 = way?

Thanks
Cary




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