X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.250.87] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 984353 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:25:01 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.250.87; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:24:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.171.150.25 by BAY115-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:24:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.171.150.25] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Why do this? / was Another Rotary failure. Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:24:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C63148.6ABD1220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:24:12 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 14:24:15.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[555D52D0:01C63172] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C63148.6ABD1220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting, yes, but I doubt it would be encouraging. I fully = acknowledge that this is undoubtedly a relatively risky venture. Just = as private flying is relatively risky compared to commercial flying. =20 This is a synopsis of the message I give anyone who asks me about the = pros & cons of installing an alternative engine: In choosing to do this, you are betting your life that you have the = necessary skills and knowledge to develop a one of a kind aircraft = propulsion system - not a trivial task, and a far greater challenge than = using time proven systems based on conventional aircraft engines. If = your primary goal is to build an aircraft and fly it safely, buy an = aircraft engine from a reputable source and install it to the best of = your abilities. Do not consider cost as the primary reason for doing = otherwise. Only if you have some 'Fire in the Belly' to power your = aircraft with some alternative should you even consider it. If you do, = there is no better alternative than the Mazda rotary. =20 The up-side is the satisfaction gained from successfully meeting the = challenge - it is beyond description. If you save a nickel in the = process, consider it a small bonus. Tracy Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Another rotary failure A very interesting comparison would be accident/incident rates for = experimental with certified engines vs experimental with 'alternative' = engines. Al Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Another rotary failure Rusty, Couple of years ago we lost 3 Cozy's within few months due to Lycoming = engine problems. Not landing with engine problem, but total lost of all = 3 aircraft. Nobody said a word. Like it was the most ordinary thing? Bulent "Buly" Aliev Ser# 066 / N484BD http://tinyurl.com/dcy36 On Feb 13, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Russell Duffy wrote: On the subject of failures in general, am I the only one who thinks = there have just been way too many of these in the last couple years? In = virtually every case, the engine has been the victim, rather than the = cause of the problem, but to the casual observer, it looks bad for the = rotary. I'd hate to calculate the number of flight hours per serious = problem for currently flying rotaries. I'd also hate for the insurance = companies to do it. Let's hope this trend doesn't continue. =20 Cheers, Rusty (one rotor, no prop)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C63148.6ABD1220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting, yes, but I doubt it would be encouraging.  I = fully=20 acknowledge that this is undoubtedly a relatively risky venture.  = Just as=20 private flying is relatively risky compared to commercial flying.  =
 
This is a synopsis of the message I give anyone who asks me = about the=20 pros & cons of installing an alternative engine:
 
In choosing to do this, you are betting your life that you have the = necessary skills and knowledge to develop a one of a kind aircraft = propulsion=20 system - not a trivial task, and a far greater challenge than = using=20 time proven systems based on conventional aircraft engines.   = If your=20 primary goal is to build an aircraft and fly it safely,  buy an = aircraft=20 engine from a reputable source and install it to the best of your=20 abilities.   Do not consider cost as the primary reason for = doing=20 otherwise.  Only if you have some 'Fire in the Belly' to power your = aircraft with some alternative should you even consider = it.  If you=20 do, there is no better alternative than the Mazda rotary.   =
 
The up-side is the satisfaction gained from successfully meeting = the=20 challenge - it is beyond description.   If you save a = nickel in=20 the process, consider it a small bonus.
 
Tracy
 
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Another rotary failure

A very interesting = comparison=20 would be accident/incident rates for experimental with certified = engines vs=20 experimental with =91alternative=92 engines.

 

Al

 

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Another rotary failure

 

Rusty,

Couple of years ago we lost 3 = Cozy's=20 within few months due to Lycoming engine problems. Not landing with = engine=20 problem, but total lost of all 3 aircraft. Nobody said a word. Like it = was the=20 most ordinary thing?

Bulent=20 "Buly" Aliev

Ser# = 066 /=20 N484BD

http://tinyurl.com/dcy36



 

On Feb 13, = 2006, at 2:03=20 PM, Russell Duffy wrote:

 



 

On the = subject of=20 failures in general, am I the only one who thinks there have just been = way too=20 many of these in the last couple years?  In virtually every case, = the=20 engine has been the victim, rather than the cause of the problem, but = to the=20 casual observer, it looks bad for the rotary.  I'd hate to = calculate the=20 number of flight hours per serious problem for currently flying=20 rotaries.  I'd also hate for the insurance companies to do=20 it.  Let's hope this trend doesn't=20 continue.  

 

Cheers,

Rusty (one = rotor, no=20 prop) 



 

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