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X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from S4.cableone.net ([24.116.0.230] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 984113 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:16:09 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.116.0.230; envelope-from=crayd@cableone.net Received: from chuckathlon (unverified [69.92.218.28]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 46226904 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:11:13 -0700 Return-Path: From: "Chuck Dunlap" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Another rotary failure Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:37:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c6310f$aa771840$6e01a8c0@chuckathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C630D4.FE184040" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 1, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 69.92.218.28 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C630D4.FE184040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Mazda's new 2mm seal design is 2 piece (introduced in 2004 I think), the 3 piece is obsolete. It is quite possible that Chuck got his prior to the new Mazda design so he could have the aftermarket parts. RWS does not furnish seals to Mazdatrix so guess they would have to be Hurley or Atkins (same material AFIK). =20 =20 Hi Tracy, =20 Hopefully Chuck can clear this up for us, as well as providing many more answers once he gets into the engine. I would probably be more suspicious of the "aftermarket" seals than the stock ones, mostly because we don't know where they came from, or should I say we know where they didn't come from :-) =20 =20 Does Chuck run the oil injection pump, or pre-mix? Losing oil flow to one rotor would eventually lead to loss of compression, though I don't think it would happen that suddenly. =20 =20 In trying to think of recent problems, the only one I can recall that didn't have a very clear cause was Ed's tailwind to Shady Bend issue. I recall there was a theory of ingesting something, but it was never proven. Other than that, Paul's accident wasn't absolutely proven, but I don't think anyone blames the engine itself. Any others? =20 =20 Again, the lack of unexplainable "engine" failures is good news, but that fact is hidden under a bunch of "engine installation" failures (ahem, like mine). =20 =20 Rusty (RV-8 QB delivery finally being arranged)=20 =20 I could not find the paper receipt from Mazdatrix, but I found it in my old saved email from 2003 - Thank goodness for computers! The apex seals I used were Mazdatrix part number 112N326 which is listed as an aftermarket steel seal. I premix the oil, I use cheap Wal-Mart 2 stroke oil in gallon size. The oil mix was likely on the lean side when the failure occurred, because someone filled up my fuel tanks the night before without asking. I always add oil during fueling to insure proper mixing. In this case, I had to add the oil after it was full, so the oil was probably rich at the outboard side and lean at the inboard side. My return line goes back to the tank right at the inboard side so does not help mix the oil much. I don't really think any of this had anything to do with the failure though. =20 Chuck (still a rotorhead) ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C630D4.FE184040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Mazda's new 2mm seal design is 2 piece (introduced in 2004 I = think), the=20 3 piece is obsolete.   It is quite possible that Chuck got = his prior=20 to the new Mazda design so he could have the aftermarket=20 parts.   RWS does not furnish seals to Mazdatrix = so guess=20 they would have to be Hurley or Atkins (same material=20 AFIK).

Hi=20 Tracy,

Hopefully Chuck can clear this up for us, as well as = providing many=20 more answers once he gets into the engine. I would probably be = more=20 suspicious of the "aftermarket" seals than the stock ones, = mostly=20 because we don't know where they came from, or should I say we know = where they=20 didn't come from :-)

Does=20 Chuck run the oil injection pump, or pre-mix? Losing oil = flow to=20 one rotor would eventually lead to loss of compression, though I = don't=20 think it would happen that suddenly. =

In=20 trying to think of recent problems,  the only one I can recall that didn't have a = very clear=20 cause was Ed's tailwind to Shady Bend issue. I recall there was = a theory=20 of ingesting something, but it was never proven. Other than = that, Paul's=20 accident wasn't absolutely proven, but I don't think anyone blames the = engine=20 itself. Any others?

Again, the lack of unexplainable "engine" failures = is good news,=20 but that fact is hidden under a bunch of "engine = installation"=20 failures (ahem, like mine).

Rusty (RV-8 QB delivery finally being arranged)

I could not find the paper receipt from Mazdatrix, but I = found it in my=20 old saved email from 2003 - Thank goodness for=20 computers! The apex seals=20 I used were Mazdatrix part number 112N326 which is listed as an = aftermarket=20 steel seal.

I=20 premix the oil, I use cheap Wal-Mart 2 stroke oil in gallon size. The = oil mix=20 was likely on the lean side when the failure occurred, because someone = filled=20 up my fuel tanks the night before without asking. I always add oil = during=20 fueling to insure proper mixing. In this case, I had to add the oil = after it=20 was full, so the oil was probably rich at the outboard side and lean = at the=20 inboard side. My return line goes back to the tank right at the = inboard side=20 so does not help mix the oil much. I don't really think any of this = had=20 anything to do with the failure though.

Chuck=20 (still a = rotorhead)

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