X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [201.225.225.167] (HELO cwpanama.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 983757 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:58:54 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=201.225.225.167; envelope-from=rijakits@cwpanama.net Received: from [201.224.93.110] (HELO usuarioq3efog0) by frontend1.cwpanama.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 60022379 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c630f9$b89ee990$6e5de0c9@usuarioq3efog0> From: "rijakits" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Diesel Operation Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:00:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 > > > Bob White wrote: > > > > >Does anyone have an inkling of what one would have to do to get a 13B > > >to run on diesel? > > > > > >Bob W. > > > > > Fill in the depression in the rotors to drive the compression ratio up? > > Turbo (to drive the compression up)? > > Add a propane charge for good measure? > > On "the other list" there was one gentleman working on the details for a Jet-A conversion - I think he was looking into some outborder fuel-injection system, that runs already direct-injection. The idea is not to increase compression to the point of "Diesel"-ignition (Compression ignition), but use direct-injection and spark-ignition to run the motor. This way you can use the cheaper and more powerful Jet-A, but the engine is still not a real Diesel-cycle engine. The problem is of course the low temperature needed to ignite Diesel, which makes the engine "diesel" (pre-ignite) - I think Mistral got to around 85 hp before it started to "diesel". Solution: Start a spark-shower before you direct-inject Jet-A. Problem: How do you evaporate or at least fine-distribute the Jet-A enough to burn clean and efficient? Air-injection around the fuel-injector!! I really hope Mistral will make their Jet-A system available seperately as they do wit hsome other parts.... ...or the gentleman from the "PL"-domaine get's it right! I think it was Bill Jepeson, or so..... Thomas J.