Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #30158
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Another rotary failure
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:52:40 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Good find on the Mazdatrix aftermarket seals Rusty, I was not aware of that.  Mazda's new 2mm seal design is 2 piece (introduced in 2004 I think), the 3 piece is obsolete.   It is quite possible that Chuck got his prior to the new Mazda design so he could have the aftermarket parts.   RWS does not furnish seals to Mazdatrix so guess they would have to be Hurley or Atkins  (same material AFIK). 
 
FWIW, the admittedly second hand info I get here says that Hurley & Atkins have at some point about 1 - 2 years ago changed material after complaints of too much rotor and housing damage after apex seal failure.  They apparently succeeded in reducing it by making the material crumble more easily but this results in even more seal failures.  Keep in mind this is hear-say based on customer comments.
 
I'm also hearing negative reports on the Mazda 2 piece seals.  As far as the 3 piece seals that generate a lot of negative comment, they are what I used for the first 856 hours, which is longer than I have used any other seals.  It takes a lot more time and samples than this to be meaningful so do not take this as truth carved in stone.  I offer this as anecdotal data only.  I currently use stock Mazda Renesis seals because RWS (nor anyone else) makes them yet.
 
Tracy
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Another rotary failure

   Stock seals in 2mm are three piece which are junk but the stock 3mm seals are two piece and they are very good quality.
  Dave were they 2 or 3mm seals ???
  Ken 
 
Hi Ken,
 
I think we were talking about Chuck's most recent problem, not Dave's. 
 
As for the seals, IIRC, Mazda made 2 and 3 piece 2mm seals over the years.  I can't recall which years though.  Looking at the Mazdatrix site, they list 86-95, 2mm, steel 2-piece Mazda seals.  I don't see a listing for 3 piece (maybe because they're junk).  They also list aftermarket 2-piece 2mm seals as well, so if he bought them from Mazdatrix, they could have been non-Mazda seals.   
 
Rusty
 
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