Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #28631
From: al p Wick <alwick@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel filter selection
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:56:04 -0800
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Egg has terrible fuel design. At least one crash so far caused by both
vapor lock and inability of pumps to self prime. -al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:50:41 -0600 "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
writes:
Buly,
 
Try this one. I have purchased it for the high pressure side.
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=fuel+filter&searchinresults
=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp
 
Cost-effective filtering for your engine.
These Aeromotive fuel filters feature an advanced flow-through design, to allow steady fuel flow with less than a .15 psi pressure drop. Designed for carbureted or fuel-injected engines from 200 to 1,000 hp, they're made from 6061-T651 aluminum alloy and have a 10-micron filtering element for reliable protection.  Not sure about the cost effective part.  I am also planning to use the same filters as Ed A and Egg subi package. . on the low pressure side. I will check pressure loss during testing and make a final decision based on head pressure, wing dihedral and pressure loss etc. Those filter bags that Al is mentioned look good as well but I am not sure I could retrofit them into my RV10 tanks. I figure within the next year their should be another 100 or so Egg's in the air so that is a pretty good test group.  Bobby

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Buly
Sent: Tue 12/20/2005 11:30 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel filter selection



Hi Ed,
The cars take fuel an inch or so up from the bottom and avoid most of the sediment. I have cut gas open tanks and  you'll be surprised what's left inside after few years. At least on my plane the fuel is drained at the tank's lowest point, and I would like to have any sediment or water to come out and be trapped in the filter/water separator, instead of accumulating on the screen inside the tank.
I'm nervous about installing high pressure filters in the gas lines, but that's my opinion. Just another 2 connectors that can fail? One day If I'm proven wrong, maybe I'll install one too :)
Buly

On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:

> Buly, I'm not that knowledgeable about pumps or filters.  But, I > notice that on the automobiles there is  generally a  "coarse" > filters on the inlets of the pumps in the fuel tanks and "fine" > High Pressure filters after the pumps, but before the injectors.
>
> Obviously, you have experience that indicates problems with that > combination - yet, wonder why we see it in the automobile?
>
> Ed A
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buly" <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:24 AM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel filter selection
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>
>> Guys, I don't understand why you are installing filters AFTER the  >> pumps? I sell large SEPAR diesel fuel filters and I always >> recommend  all the filtering to be done before the pumps and out >> of the tanks.
>>  Any water or debris if it's allowed to reach the pumps, will be  >> beaten into smaller particles and may be PUSHED thru the filter, >> or  even will damage the pumps.
>> I personally suffered on my boat by frequent engine stopages in >> the  worst of times, only to discover that the manufacturer have >> installed  a screen on the pick up tube inside of the tank, where >> can not be  seen or cleaned.
>> The same manufacturer had to fix or replace number of engines only >> because he installed the fuel pumps BEFORE the filter. Any water >> in  the fuel was beaten in to fine emulsion and pushed thru the >> filter  into the injectors. Results were rusted injectors, rusted >> high  pressure pumps and more.
>> Buly
>>
>>> Kelly Troyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ernest,
>>>>    My opinion also !! There is a potential 90 psi  surge >>>> pressure  from
>>>> healthy EFI pumps........I do not believe any of the cheap glass >>>> filters
>>>> are rated that high !!
>>>
>>>
>>> I love this list.  I had not thought to check the pressure >>> rating.   I just assumed that a filter could take the pressure.  >>> It's not  like 90PSI is difficult to design for.  But after Mark >>> suggested  it, I went looking.  Sho' 'nuff, no rating.
>>>
>>> Any of you carbeurated guys want a pretty glass filter for 3/8"  >>> hose lines?
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-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
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