X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [217.160.249.185] (HELO web.cbbdev.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.4) with ESMTPS id 889951 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:38:47 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=217.160.249.185; envelope-from=crj@lucubration.com Received: (qmail 22413 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2005 12:38:01 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.98?) (10.100.1.103) by 10.100.1.1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2005 12:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: <43A84179.6060202@lucubration.com> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:38:01 -0500 From: Chad Robinson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel filter selection References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit al p Wick wrote: > Debris killing pump: > Let's guestimate how often this happens when you have no filtering of > fuel inlet. How about one pump shut down every 500 hours of operation? So > on scale of 1 to 10, pump shut down is a 6. But hold it, we have two > pumps, two independent failure odds. So that risk is 1 in 250000 hours. > Because we only loose fuel if BOTH pumps die. So now that risk is a 1 on > scale of 1 to 10. One of our lowest risk items on the plane. > To keep this analysis simple, I'll ignore odds of noticing before flight, > and effect on flight components. Al, I like the analysis, but I'd disagree with the 1 in 250,000 factor for two pumps. That assumes that the debris that killed the pump was completely independant between the tanks. For many this may be true, BUT: 1. Those with a sump feeding the pumps will stay at 1 in 500 because the contamination will probably be in the sump. Call it 1 in 1000 because maybe you get lucky and the dead pump sucked up ALL the debris, and will hold it when you switch to the other. 2. Maybe the source of the debris was put into both tanks. That is, maybe the debris is from a deliberate contamination to both tanks (gasp), something in the fuel rail or similar that's releasing debris (metal shavings from bad machining?) and will release that debris to either tank, regardless of which you select, etc. So, it's probably still rare, but maybe not as rare as 1 in 250,000 just because there are two pumps. I think the "most likely" root causes of such contamination contain enough cross-over risk to keep this number lower. Regards, Chad