X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 886121 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:57:40 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=CBarber@TexasAttorney.net Received: from [24.238.246.150] (helo=chrisbarber) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EndUV-0008Kz-Ax for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:56:55 -0500 From: "Barber Law Firm" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Fwd: COZY: DAR Update on my LED/Strobe lights for Phase II Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:04:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05A1_01C602E8.DCC5DA20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 1d70e58d8d65c1bfb880f9431927b0049ef193a6bfc3dd487b20bcf6f27ae2532152fba55d11ab148483c75118a9a15a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.238.246.150 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05A1_01C602E8.DCC5DA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That really *&(&ing sucks. Just goes to show ya, we rarely make progress or succeed because of our government.......if we are to progress and succeed it usually is in spite of our government. I have those same lights and they are REALLY Kewl and better than the Whelens, IMHO. I really resent this type of head in the ground bureaucracy. GEEEEESH. Can't these guys occasionally stay at a Holiday Inn Express???? All the best, Chris Christopher Barber Attorney and Counselor at Law "Serving the needs of Senior Texans" Barber Law Firm 10827 Tower Bridge St. Houston, Texas 77075-5032 281-464-LAWS (5297) CBarber@TexasAttorney.net www.TexasAttorney.net -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Bulent Aliev Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 6:53 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Fwd: COZY: DAR Update on my LED/Strobe lights for Phase II Begin forwarded message: From: "iflycozy@bunchlaw.com" Date: December 16, 2005 10:48:39 PM EST To: cozy_builders@mailman.qth.net Subject: COZY: DAR Update on my LED/Strobe lights for Phase II For all of you who have read my posts since June 05 relating to my very tough DAR on my wingtip LED/strobe lights, here is an update. As you will recall, I have non-TSO'ed lights from gs-air.com. They are really cool, bright and uses 4 amps for two strobes and four position lights. My DAR would not sign off Phase II with those lights with the language of "Unless appropriately equipped for night or IFR flight, ..." which would allow me to make a logbook entry to fly at night. My DAR would only give me Phase II with VFR day only restriction because he interpreted the words "approved anti-collision light system" in FAR 91.205(c) to mean only approved by the Administrator. My DAR's boss in the Louisville FSDO office sent me an email saying that their position is that I must have "approved" anti-collision lights, i.e., TSO or PMA or a field approval. Since PMA does not exist for experimentals and Atlanta or any DER would not give me a field app roval, I was told that if I wanted to flight at night, all of which night equipment is required for IFR, I must have TSO'ed wingtip lights. Nat and everyone else said to get another DAR, so the following is my report. I have talked with EAA in Oshkosh (Joe Norris who was very helpful) and they put my in touch with a DAR in Illinois in the MIDO office, whose boss/Prinicipal Investigator (PI) is in Vadalia, OH. Vadalia is in my region or district. They told me today that although my analysis of the FARs and evidence showing that my wingtip lights meet or exceeds the airworthiness standard for approved position/anti-collision lights, that they would have issued me the above quoted language if I had originally applied for my airworthiness certificate from them, BUT that since I started out in FSDO, I am subject to their mercy as I can not escape from the FSDO office in Louisville. So, there you have it. I must change my very cool, slick LEDs for old technology which draws about 15 amps (strobes and nav lights) from Whelen as they are the only TSO'ed lights that I have found. Of course, Whelen lights are almost $900. So, the little man has lost and the moral to this story is GO TO THE NATIONAL EAA TO GET A DAR FROM YOUR LOCAL MIDO OFFICE BEFORE YOU APPLY FOR AN AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE, even if a local FSDO DAR was recommended to you. After my problem with my lights, need I say more. All of you guys still building (which I am after flying 25 hours--you know, still tweaking) MUST learn from my mistake. Don't get involved with the FSDO office as you will be in a world of hurt ($$$$) very fast. Matt Bunch Lexington, KY ______________________________________________________________ Cozy_builders mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/cozy_builders Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:Cozy_builders@mailman.qth.net ------=_NextPart_000_05A1_01C602E8.DCC5DA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That=20 really *&(&ing sucks.  Just goes to show ya, we rarely make = progress or succeed because of our government.......if we are to = progress and=20 succeed it usually is in spite of our government.  I have those = same lights=20 and they are REALLY Kewl and better than the Whelens, IMHO.  I = really=20 resent this type of head in the ground bureaucracy.  = GEEEEESH.  Can't=20 these guys occasionally stay at a Holiday Inn = Express????
 
All=20 the best,
 
Chris
 

Christopher = Barber

Attorney=20 and Counselor at Law

 

"Serving=20 the needs of Senior Texans"

Barber Law=20 Firm
10827 Tower = Bridge=20 St.

Houston, Texas=20 77075-5032
281-464-LAWS=20 (5297)


CBarber@TexasAttorney.net
www.TexasAttorney.net 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Bulent=20 Aliev
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 6:53 = AM
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fwd: COZY: DAR = Update on my=20 LED/Strobe lights for Phase II



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From: "iflycozy@bunchlaw.com" = <iflycozy@bunchlaw.com>
Date: December = 16, 2005=20 10:48:39 PM EST
To: cozy_builders@mailman.qth.n= et
Subject: = COZY: = DAR Update on my=20 LED/Strobe lights for Phase II

For all of = you who have=20 read my posts since June 05 relating to my very tough DAR on my = wingtip=20 LED/strobe lights, here is an update.

As you will recall, I = have=20 non-TSO'ed lights from gs-air.com. They are really cool, bright and = uses 4=20 amps for two strobes and four position lights. My DAR would not sign = off=20 Phase II with those lights with the language of "Unless = appropriately=20 equipped for night or IFR flight, ..." which would allow me to make = a=20 logbook entry to fly at night. My DAR would only give me Phase II = with VFR=20 day only restriction because he interpreted the words "approved=20 anti-collision light system" in FAR 91.205(c) to mean only approved = by the=20 Administrator. My DAR's boss in the Louisville FSDO office sent me = an email=20 saying that their position is that I must have "approved" = anti-collision=20 lights, i.e., TSO or PMA or a field approval. Since PMA does not = exist for=20 experimentals and Atlanta or any DER would not give me a field app = roval, I=20 was told that if I wanted to flight at night, all of which night = equipment=20 is required for IFR, I must have TSO'ed wingtip lights. Nat and = everyone=20 else said to get another DAR, so the following is my report. =

I have=20 talked with EAA in Oshkosh (Joe Norris who was very helpful) and = they put my=20 in touch with a DAR in Illinois in the MIDO office, whose = boss/Prinicipal=20 Investigator (PI) is in Vadalia, OH. Vadalia is in my region or = district.=20 They told me today that although my analysis of the FARs and = evidence=20 showing that my wingtip lights meet or exceeds the airworthiness = standard=20 for approved position/anti-collision lights, that they would have = issued me=20 the above quoted language if I had originally applied for my = airworthiness=20 certificate from them, BUT that since I started out in FSDO, I am = subject to=20 their mercy as I can not escape from the FSDO office in Louisville. = So,=20 there you have it. I must change my very cool, slick LEDs for old = technology=20 which draws about 15 amps (strobes and nav lights) from Whelen as = they are=20 the only TSO'ed lights that I have found. Of course, Whelen lights = are=20 almost $900. So, the little man has lost and the moral to this story = is GO=20 TO THE NATIONAL EAA TO GET A DAR FROM YOUR LOCAL MIDO OFFICE BEFORE = YOU=20 APPLY FOR AN AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE, even if a local FSDO DAR was = recommended to you. After my problem with my lights, need I say = more. All of=20 you guys still building (which I am after flying 25 hours--you know, = still=20 tweaking) MUST learn from my mistake. Don't get involved with the = FSDO=20 office as you will be in a world of hurt ($$$$) very = fast.

Matt=20 Bunch
Lexington, KY

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