X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 886051 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:53:28 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.65; envelope-from=atlasyts@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm57aec.bellsouth.net ([65.11.41.212]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051217125243.RHQW20571.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm57aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:52:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (really [65.11.41.212]) by ibm57aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051217125242.JNED21130.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.0.100]>; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:52:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) To: Rotary motors in aircraft , Charlie Kuss Message-Id: <19B7B48C-FD3B-425F-9173-3D14C0A7B7A1@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--249528116 References: <55d1e5e29e0b4a56a3f7e4778f6061ee.iflycozy@bunchlaw.com> From: Bulent Aliev Subject: Fwd: COZY: DAR Update on my LED/Strobe lights for Phase II Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 07:52:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) --Apple-Mail-12--249528116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Begin forwarded message: > From: "iflycozy@bunchlaw.com" > Date: December 16, 2005 10:48:39 PM EST > To: cozy_builders@mailman.qth.net > Subject: COZY: DAR Update on my LED/Strobe lights for Phase II > > For all of you who have read my posts since June 05 relating to my > very tough DAR on my wingtip LED/strobe lights, here is an update. > > As you will recall, I have non-TSO'ed lights from gs-air.com. They > are really cool, bright and uses 4 amps for two strobes and four > position lights. My DAR would not sign off Phase II with those > lights with the language of "Unless appropriately equipped for > night or IFR flight, ..." which would allow me to make a logbook > entry to fly at night. My DAR would only give me Phase II with VFR > day only restriction because he interpreted the words "approved > anti-collision light system" in FAR 91.205(c) to mean only approved > by the Administrator. My DAR's boss in the Louisville FSDO office > sent me an email saying that their position is that I must have > "approved" anti-collision lights, i.e., TSO or PMA or a field > approval. Since PMA does not exist for experimentals and Atlanta > or any DER would not give me a field app roval, I was told that if > I wanted to flight at night, all of which night equipment is > required for IFR, I must have TSO'ed wingtip lights. Nat and > everyone else said to get another DAR, so the following is my report. > > I have talked with EAA in Oshkosh (Joe Norris who was very helpful) > and they put my in touch with a DAR in Illinois in the MIDO office, > whose boss/Prinicipal Investigator (PI) is in Vadalia, OH. Vadalia > is in my region or district. They told me today that although my > analysis of the FARs and evidence showing that my wingtip lights > meet or exceeds the airworthiness standard for approved position/ > anti-collision lights, that they would have issued me the above > quoted language if I had originally applied for my airworthiness > certificate from them, BUT that since I started out in FSDO, I am > subject to their mercy as I can not escape from the FSDO office in > Louisville. So, there you have it. I must change my very cool, > slick LEDs for old technology which draws about 15 amps (strobes > and nav lights) from Whelen as they are the only TSO'ed lights that > I have found. Of course, Whelen lights are almost $900. So, the > little man has lost and the moral to this story is GO TO THE > NATIONAL EAA TO GET A DAR FROM YOUR LOCAL MIDO OFFICE BEFORE YOU > APPLY FOR AN AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE, even if a local FSDO DAR > was recommended to you. After my problem with my lights, need I > say more. All of you guys still building (which I am after flying > 25 hours--you know, still tweaking) MUST learn from my mistake. > Don't get involved with the FSDO office as you will be in a world > of hurt ($$$$) very fast. > > Matt Bunch > Lexington, KY > > ______________________________________________________________ > Cozy_builders mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/cozy_builders > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:Cozy_builders@mailman.qth.net --Apple-Mail-12--249528116 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

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Date: December 16, 2005 10:48:39 PM = EST
Subject: COZY: DAR Update on my LED/Strobe = lights for Phase II

For all of you who have read my posts since June 05 = relating to my very tough DAR on my wingtip LED/strobe lights, here is = an update.

As you will recall, I have non-TSO'ed lights from = gs-air.com.=A0 They are really cool, bright and uses 4 amps for two = strobes and four position lights.=A0 My DAR would not sign off Phase II = with those lights with the language of "Unless appropriately equipped = for night or IFR flight, ..." which would allow me to make a logbook = entry to fly at night. =A0My DAR would only give me Phase II with VFR = day only restriction because he interpreted the words "approved = anti-collision light system" in FAR 91.205(c) to mean only approved by = the Administrator.=A0 My DAR's boss in the Louisville FSDO office sent = me an email saying that their position is that I must have "approved" = anti-collision lights, i.e., TSO or PMA or a field approval.=A0 Since = PMA does not exist for experimentals and Atlanta or any DER would not = give me a field app roval, I was told that if I wanted to flight at = night, all of which night equipment is required for IFR, I must have = TSO'ed wingtip lights.=A0 Nat and everyone else said to get another DAR, = so the following=A0is my report.=A0

I have talked with EAA in = Oshkosh (Joe Norris who was very helpful) and they put my in touch with = a DAR in Illinois in the MIDO office, whose boss/Prinicipal Investigator = (PI) is in Vadalia, OH.=A0 Vadalia is in my region or district.=A0 They = told me today that although my analysis of the FARs and evidence showing = that my wingtip lights meet or exceeds the airworthiness standard for = approved position/anti-collision lights, that they would have issued me = the above quoted language if I had originally applied for my = airworthiness certificate from them, BUT that since I started out in = FSDO, I am subject to their mercy as I can not escape from the FSDO = office in Louisville.=A0 So, there you have it.=A0 I must change my very = cool, slick LEDs for old technology which draws=A0about 15 amps = (strobes and nav lights) from Whelen as they are the only TSO'ed lights = that I have found.=A0 Of course,=A0Whelen lights=A0are almost $900.=A0 = So, the little man has lost and the moral to this story is GO TO THE = NATIONAL EAA TO GET A DAR FROM YOUR LOCAL=A0MIDO OFFICE=A0BEFORE YOU = APPLY FOR AN AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE, even if a local FSDO DAR was = recommended to you.=A0 After my problem with my lights, need I say = more.=A0 All of you guys still building (which I am=A0after flying 25 = hours--you know, still tweaking) MUST learn from my mistake.=A0 Don't = get involved with the FSDO office as you will be in a world of hurt = ($$$$)=A0very fast.

Matt Bunch
Lexington, KY

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