Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #26958
From: David Staten <Dastaten@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: injector size
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:19:51 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
If I remember my documentation, the injectors can power the Engine Controller. Specifically, the EC manual calls out for a switch to disconnect the injectors from the power supply, so that the EC doesn't remain powered and run the battery down.

. If the Engine Controller is powered by this circuit, and the engine controller is connected to the monitor, its possible that there is some bleed current running to the EM as well. I am not sure  specifically if there is supposed to be a path for current to bleed over or loop around like that, but it appears in your case that it does.
 
Sounds like we (chris and I) will need to come up with an "engine master switch" that will power the EC, EM, Injectors, Fuel Pump and Radiator Fan(s) on a common bus... in adition to a "master" and an "avionics master"
 
Dave

Bulent Aliev wrote:
Hi Ed,
I discovered last night that there is a mystery related to my primary  injector switch: with only the master on, I turn the primary injector  switch on, and the EM display comes on with 6.5V "low voltage"  reading. I have to find out how the injector cirquit can feed power  to the EM?
Any ideas?
Buly
On Oct 11, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:

Buly,  Something you might try is setting the staging manifold  pressure point at a higher manifold pressure.  That way your 550c  primary should be the only ones on at low and even medium rpms and  since the Ec2 appears to work fine with 550s out of the box, this  might help. Since you have already gone the mode 3 route, this is  the only thing I can think of.

I believe the problem is that upon initial start,  the EC2 sees  ambient pressure in the manifold (30"Hg) and thinks the engine is  wide open throttle, it checks the fuel map for the amount of fuel  to inject for MAP = 30"Hg and  injects fuel (a lot!) accordingly.   Normally, this is not a problem as the engine immediately starts  and  sucks the manifold pressure down to the nominal 12-14" Hg (for  idle) and the fuel injected is adjust accordingly AND the secondary  are turned off (until the manifold pressure again rises to the  staging point), but with your big injectors having all four dump  fuel before the engine is started and running is probably  contributing to the problem.

Do you have switches on your injectors and have you tried starting  with the secondary injectors turned off??

I presume you don't have the cold start turned on (accidentally or  otherwise -shorted).

I presume you have programmed a lean mixture for start up region .

Ed A



----- Original Message ----- From: "Bulent Aliev"  <atlasyts@bellsouth.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] injector size



Hi Guys,
For the last few months I have been struggling with engine  flooding  on start up.  Looking at the EC2 manual, it tells me  that it comes  pre-set for "standard" Mazda injectors. I checked  the injector charts  and most of the Mazdas have 460 or 550 CC  injectors for primary and  secondary. My engine (Cosmo 13B) comes  with 550 cc primary and 850 cc  secondary.

I did some Mode3 adjustment on the EC-2 and looks like it's a bit   better, but the trailing plugs get wet if it does not start right  away?
Any Ideas?
Buly

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