Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #26554
From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Overvoltage control (help Ed A)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:52:23 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
<...All charging systems should have protection for this. Don't you? ...>
Yes.  I've described it in some detail, about three times so far, on this thread.  Now, the scenario of a "... load dump where the battery is disconnected ..." (and presumably all of the aircraft systems (can't see 100V with any load AT ALL - if then)) happening simultaneously with regulator failure to full output ...  would be ... ???

PVORT for three days now :o) ... Jim S.


Michael LaFleur wrote:

In the case of a load dump, where the battery is
disconnected for a charging circuit, you will see more
than 100 volts.

The alternator, being low impedance will cause large
positive transients. Simultabeously, the collapsing
field will cause negative field decay transients.
These can and will be in excess of 100 volts. All
charging systems should have protection for this.
Don't you?

--- Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net> wrote:

 

Finn Lassen wrote:

   

I think the +100 volts statement relates to no
     
battery load.  Have you    
/anyone actually /seen/ that happen?  I guess if
     
the electrical system    
was designed so that a contactor could disconnect
     
the battery from the    
load circuits and the load circuits (avionics)
     
still be connected to    
the alternator you would have a situation where
     
you could wave your    
avionics goodbye.
Perhaps.  But that wouldn't be very clever.      
Anyone who designed his    
system to protect his avionics from a Battery over
     
voltage and ignored    
the Alternator deserves whatever happens.
Let's say on top of that that one (or all) of the
     
three retifiers    
shorted out too, you'd have 100 volts A/C into
     
your avionics. Not a    
pretty picture. (I've seen Zener diodes short out
     
regularily due to    
overload/voltage; rectifier diodes usually fail
     
open - but not    
always).   We're stretching a bit here aren't we?      
Back to the 100 V    
that we've already agreed can't happen, shorted
     
diodes causing AC    
(which I'm not at all sure can happen), all three
     
rectifiers (that's    
all SIX diodes shorting at the same time (none of
     
them failing open    
which is more common), zener failing, etc.  If a
     
diode fails every    
1000 hrs, the whole bank failing would happen
     
every 1000^6 hours.    
That's a one with TWENTY ONE zeros behind it.
     
I think I can live with that ... Jim S.

   

Finn

Jim Sower wrote:

     
<... the alternator is capable of producing over
       
100 volts ...>
   

I don't think so ...
...
Bottom line, with the regulator failed (or
       
bypassed) to send full B+    
voltage to the field, the charging voltage never
       
exceed 18V in my    
experience.
       


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