Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #25998
From: Richard Sohn <unicorn@gdsys.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Antipodean Single Rotor Report
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:38:03 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:12 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Antipodean Single Rotor Report

Hi Finn,
 
Thanks for the compliment.  Much appreciated - acknowledgement,  let alone praise & approbation seem to be pretty thin on the ground from downunder!!  The silence is deafening!! (}:>^). Maybe I've just stolen somebody's thunder??  The REW WL weighed in @ 54.5 Kg bare,  with a steel sump (cut & shut 12A RX7),  steel inlet manifold,  and 3.5L of oil (see pic).
 
In my rush to get the Renesis WL in the car and running,  I have to 'fess up that I was most remiss in that I didn't get the Renesis weighed before dumping it in Humphrey.  However,  I estimate that it will be just under 3 Kg heavier in the same setup (around 57 Kg with steel sump & steel inlet manifold * 3.5L oil).  Most of the extra weight is in the front housing which is MUCH thicker, and the rear housing is also a bit heavier as well (due to the side exhaust port configuration).  I did weigh the housings and everything else when I first got them,  but that was 18 months ago just before I became desperately ill.  Can't remember where I wrote it all down.
 
At any rate, I have had a real good look - (somebody else asked me last week) - and it would be possible with judicious use of a mill to get rid of most of that extra weight on the front housing.  There are lots of little lumps of cast iron that hang off everywhere,  & a considerable amount could be taken off where the water pump bolts up if one were to use an EWP (Shock, Horror Batman!  Not an EWP - they don't work!!). 
 
But then again,  the Renesis has a really neat front cover with an integral water pump (see pix in following email)  which all ends up much lighter that the old style front cover & water pump combo,  so it would all probably end up line ball as far as weight goes.  However,  by machining back the cast iron water pump flange, and substituting an alloy spacer to bring it all back in line with the rest of the front housing surface,  you could have the best of both worlds.  Same goes for the oil pump boss which is nearly an extra inch thick.  All depends on how determined you are. 
 
Of course,  alloy end housings will eventually make all this un-necessary,  although don't hold you breath - side exhaust port end plates might be a while (seeing that certain people are insisting on the PP route).  Interestingly,  as I mentioned before,  by feel - (I've sort of developed a pretty good dyno in my backside over the years) - the engine appears to go nearly as hard as a 12A twin rotor that originally came in the car,  albeit not as smoothly low down. Above 5,000,  it is as smooth as any 12A RX7 I have ever driven. 
 
It also stands to reason as the 4 port Renesis is rated at 200 BHP @ 7,500 RPM,  the original 12A was rated @ 125 BHP,  and this WL is not blowing through a cat or an 86 dB muffler either.  So I'd sort of expect it to make at least 100 BHP per rotor at the same RPM -  possibly more as the rotor is being fed by the two big end ports,  not one big one and one teeny weeny small one.  When I get it dyno'd in a couple of weeks,  I'll know for sure.  Stay tuned ...
 
And in case you are wondering why I'm using steel inlet manifolds at the moment,  I can fabricate them in house,  and the materials are cheap,  and I don't have a TIG,  and they are going in cars at the moment, so weight is not a really critical issue.  Once I work out the exact lengths and sizes,  I'll have a professional job done in alloy by my fabricator mate. 
 
Cheers,
 
Leon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:19 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Antipodean Single Rotor Report was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Single rotor engine assembled- this is not a drill

Really neat! Do you by any chance have weights? Long block, installed, with oil and coolant, etc.

Finn


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