Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #25369
From: Leon Promet <leonp@pacific.net.au>
Subject: Mazda Factory O rings vs TES O rings was Re: [FlyRotary] Re: TES "O" Rings
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:09:17 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hey Guys,
 
Enough already!  I'm with Dave on this TES O ring business,  but I'm even MORE radical ...   
 
If the factory O rings were good enough to win Le Mans 24 Hr,  it would seem that they SHOULD be good enough for our purposes.  Moreover,  they seem to last 20 odd years and over 500,000 km in cars that are well looked after and serviced regularly and the cooling systems kept clean. 
 
The only time I've EVER seen Factory O rings fail (since the mid '70s) is if the engine has been "cooked",  (and then the rotor housings are warped),  or the rotor housings have corroded (due to lack of a regular coolant changes),  and in both these failure modes,  the rotor housings are throw-aways anyhow.  Not the O ring's fault that the engine leaks water - OIF (Operator Induced Failure).
 
So seriously,  can someone PLEASE tell me WHY you all want to use TES O rings instead of the factory ones?? Apart from price,  (which seems to be an issue with some),  and the fact that the big bearded guy at that "other" place says you should - so why don't you guys just ask HIM for the relevant part # - he knows EVERYTHING).
 
Still, for the life of me,  I just can't see what technical advantages there are (apart from busting the O ring grooves if you happen to get the sizing wrong).  I'm afraid that it has totally escaped me.
 
Cheers,
 
Leon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:48 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: TES "O" Rings

I cannot stand this any longer, "For Crying out loud" Why not get an OEM Mazda O ring, send it to Creavey and get Jeff to make one the goddamn same size! It was good enough for LeMans for 24 hrs, it will be good enough for us. FWIW, Dave McC
On 24/07/2005, at 9:29 AM, George Lendich wrote:

Kelly,
Maybe at this present point in time, but who knows down the track.
 
BTW one size I omitted for the inner "O" ring was the .093" which was approx 1 : .77 - good for that size recess, I thought by just looking at it,it  would be too small ( thin), which Bill identified as being a uneducated response.
I ment to tell you, but forgot.
I am also now thinking that the .093 may be too large for the outer - however it won't see the same heat, nor expand as much as the inner.
Their results will be interesting.
George ( down under)
George,
    It may be that only you and I are interested in the correct size of the
coolent O-rings and/or the need for a TES outer O-ring........Housing
is boxed and ready to ship to "Creavey" Monday !
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




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