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<... these are perilous times for much more sinister reasons than a few 
crazy Muslims ...>
Yeah.  Like 4 of the last 5 winners of the national spelling bee were 
1st or 2d generation orientals.  As are most of the scholarship students 
in Ivy League schools.  In 20-40 years we'll be a colony (albeit heavily 
armed) of China and/or India.

Charlie England wrote:

> Aren't you in law enforcement? Can you pull a person's social security 
> records on the grounds that they have a commercial driver's license? 
> Would a judge give you a warrant to search if you told him "This guy 
> is a suspect because he has a driver's license?"  Do you really want 
> *anyone* having access to all your personal & financial information 
> simply on demand, with no checks & balances?
>
> The British are holding signs saying "We Are Not Afraid" while we 
> bleat like sheep & believe the lie that if we only surrender our 
> privacy & our right to defend ourselves we will be protected by our 
> 'benevolent' government.
>
> Sorry, but these are perilous times for much more sinister reasons 
> than a few crazy Muslims.
>
> Charlie
>
> David Staten wrote:
>
>> In the initial investigation, they simply matched social security 
>> numbers of pilots in the database with social security numbers of 
>> persons recieving disability benefits. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> On the "HITS" they obtained, those are the ones who's records got 
>> pulled.. and from a probable cause standpoint, I'd have to agree that 
>> was appropriate. Given that this was a CRIMINAL investigation, they 
>> are under no obligation to notify you that you (or your medical 
>> records that YOU HAVE ALREADY VOLUNTARILY sumbitted to the 
>> government) are under investigation and then one day they show up and 
>> serve you with an indictment.
>>
>> This isnt "big brother".. this is long overdue. These are people who 
>> are concurrently claiming disability AND renewing/obtaining medicals.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Bill Dube wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't get so excited about this sort of thing yet, Dave.  
>>>> First off, they only found 48 problems in 40,000.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         An important issue that most folks haven't noticed is that 
>>> they searched the medical records of everyone that holds a pilot's 
>>> license and reported a disability. Were any of us notified that our 
>>> private medical records had been searched? How many folk's private 
>>> medical records were searched without probable cause? Does holding a 
>>> pilot's license somehow give the FAA permission to search your 
>>> private medical records without even telling you about it? 
>>> Apparently, it does.
>>>
>>>         Disability comes in many flavors. A person can be disabled 
>>> because they are allergic to some chemical at work. A person could 
>>> lose a foot or a hand. A person could have arthritis, or carpel 
>>> tunnel syndrome. There are plenty of disabilities that would prevent 
>>> you from doing a specific job, but have no influence on your ability 
>>> to fly an airplane.
>>>
>>>         Under the Patriot Act, they can search your medical records 
>>> without telling you EVER. Your doctor is not even allowed to ask his 
>>> lawyer if he must comply with the search or find out what records 
>>> can be excluded. Your doctor is forbidden from telling you that your 
>>> records have been searched, ever.
>>>
>>>         Scary, huh.....
>>>
>>>         Bill Dube' 
>>
>>
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