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Aren't you in law enforcement? Can you pull a person's social security 
records on the grounds that they have a commercial driver's license? 
Would a judge give you a warrant to search if you told him "This guy is 
a suspect because he has a driver's license?"  Do you really want 
*anyone* having access to all your personal & financial information 
simply on demand, with no checks & balances?

The British are holding signs saying "We Are Not Afraid" while we bleat 
like sheep & believe the lie that if we only surrender our privacy & our 
right to defend ourselves we will be protected by our 'benevolent' 
government.

Sorry, but these are perilous times for much more sinister reasons than 
a few crazy Muslims.

Charlie

David Staten wrote:

> In the initial investigation, they simply matched social security 
> numbers of pilots in the database with social security numbers of 
> persons recieving disability benefits. Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> On the "HITS" they obtained, those are the ones who's records got 
> pulled.. and from a probable cause standpoint, I'd have to agree that 
> was appropriate. Given that this was a CRIMINAL investigation, they 
> are under no obligation to notify you that you (or your medical 
> records that YOU HAVE ALREADY VOLUNTARILY sumbitted to the government) 
> are under investigation and then one day they show up and serve you 
> with an indictment.
>
> This isnt "big brother".. this is long overdue. These are people who 
> are concurrently claiming disability AND renewing/obtaining medicals.
>
> Dave
>
> Bill Dube wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get so excited about this sort of thing yet, Dave.  First 
>>> off, they only found 48 problems in 40,000.
>>
>>
>>
>>         An important issue that most folks haven't noticed is that 
>> they searched the medical records of everyone that holds a pilot's 
>> license and reported a disability. Were any of us notified that our 
>> private medical records had been searched? How many folk's private 
>> medical records were searched without probable cause? Does holding a 
>> pilot's license somehow give the FAA permission to search your 
>> private medical records without even telling you about it? 
>> Apparently, it does.
>>
>>         Disability comes in many flavors. A person can be disabled 
>> because they are allergic to some chemical at work. A person could 
>> lose a foot or a hand. A person could have arthritis, or carpel 
>> tunnel syndrome. There are plenty of disabilities that would prevent 
>> you from doing a specific job, but have no influence on your ability 
>> to fly an airplane.
>>
>>         Under the Patriot Act, they can search your medical records 
>> without telling you EVER. Your doctor is not even allowed to ask his 
>> lawyer if he must comply with the search or find out what records can 
>> be excluded. Your doctor is forbidden from telling you that your 
>> records have been searched, ever.
>>
>>         Scary, huh.....
>>
>>         Bill Dube' 
>