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I'd heard that if you LOSE your medical, you can't fly LSC, but if you 
have a valid medical and just don't bother to renew it, you CAN fly 
LSC.  Is that not true? ... Jim S.

George Lendich wrote:

> Mike,
> We must have different rules down here!
> If you lose your medical, you can still drive your car and you only 
> need a Car licence for Light Sport category  - to my knowledge. 
> Although it's not due to be implemented here in Australia until 
> September, there could be some guidelines as you indicate.
> I know people with blood pressure and Diabetes lose their medical - 
> but doesn't stop them from driving their cars.
> George ( down under)
>
>     IF you LOSE your medical, you can NOT indeed drive your car and
>     still fly a sport/light. If your medical is revoked you are
>     through flying anything but 103 ultralights. This is going to get
>     a LOT of guys fried. If you have a know diagnosed illness that
>     would preclude you getting a medical, you CANNOT fly a sport/light
>     even if you have a drivers lisence. If you have a medical and fly
>     with a know deficiency, it is the same as NOT having a medical,
>     even if you do not see a doctor. Fair or not, that's the rules and
>     those who try to skirt the rules and get caught are going to be in
>     a hell of a mess.  Mike C.
>      
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* George Lendich <mailto:lendich@optusnet.com.au>
>         *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
>         <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:09 PM
>         *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - we're here to help you
>
>         Kevin,
>         Being on a Disability pension don't stop you flying a plane.
>         It may make it harder to get a medical clearance and you won't
>         get a clearance if your on Medication, such as mind bending
>         drugs e.g. Pilots with past Depression and Bipolar can get
>         Medicals - Paranoid Schizophrenia is only controlled by mind
>         bending drugs, so that one's a NO NO!
>         One must be upfront with the details however - some have
>         suggested that it's easier to lie than get a medical with past
>         medical conditions. I notice a lot of chaps losing their
>         medicals for Diabetes and Blood Pressure etc.
>          
>         However you can still drive a car and fly Light Sport Category.
>         George ( down under)
>
>             Saw this in today's _New York Times_.
>
>             July 20, 2005
>             U.S. Says 46 Pilots Lied to Obtain Their Licenses
>             By CAROLYN MARSHALL
>             SAN FRANCISCO, July 19 - Prosecutors in Northern
>             California have
>             charged 46 pilots with lying to federal authorities to
>             obtain airplane
>             licenses, in most cases not disclosing debilitating
>             illnesses that
>             should have kept them grounded.
>
>             The pilots, who were indicted this week by grand juries in
>             the eastern
>             and northern federal districts of California, were
>             identified during
>             an 18-month criminal air traffic safety investigation by the
>             Department of Transportation and the Social Security
>             Administration
>             that looked into licensed pilots who were also receiving
>             disability
>             benefits and payments from the government.
>
>             The investigation, initiated in July 2003, included a
>             review of more
>             than 40,000 pilot licenses issued in Northern California
>             to determine
>             whether there had been any misuse or abuse of Social
>             Security numbers.
>             The authorities reviewed licenses held by both commercial
>             and private
>             pilots and found that some license applicants claimed to
>             be medically
>             fit to fly an airplane yet were simultaneously receiving
>             disability
>             benefits.
>
>             "The fraud and falsification allegedly committed by these
>             individuals
>             is extremely serious and adversely affects the public
>             interest in air
>             safety," said Nicholas Sabatini, an associate
>             administrator with the
>             Federal Aviation Administration.
>
>             Charles H. Lee Jr., an assistant inspector general for
>             investigations
>             at the Department of Transportation, said the reviewers
>             first focused
>             their investigation on 48 pilots, most of whom were receiving
>             disability payments for illnesses like paranoid
>             schizophrenia, bipolar
>             disorder and disabling heart conditions.
>
>             One case, Mr. Lee said, even involved someone who
>             exhibited severe
>             suicidal tendencies.
>
>             "To get their certificates, these people had to lie or falsify
>             paperwork," Mr. Lee said. "The F.A.A. has rules and
>             regulations
>             regarding medical conditions and deemed that all 48 had
>             medical
>             disabilities that would have disqualified them from
>             holding pilot
>             certificates."
>
>             Two cases were dropped, Mr. Lee said, one because the
>             pilot died. He
>             declined to comment about whether similar investigations
>             were under
>             way in other states.
>
>             Of the 46 pilots that Mr. Lee said were charged, 7 held
>             commercial
>             pilot certificates that would have allowed them to fly as
>             well as
>             carry cargo; another 4 pilots held air transportation pilot
>             certificates which would let them transport passengers.
>
>             Of the remaining indicted pilots, 28 had private pilot
>             licenses, and 7
>             had student licenses.
>
>             A charge of lying to the federal authorities carries a
>             penalty of up
>             to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. A charge of
>             falsifying
>             records carries a penalty of up to one year in prison and
>             a $100,000
>             fine.
>
>             According to court documents, the pilots who were indicted
>             failed to
>             provide accurate medical history forms, as required by the
>             F.A.A., in
>             some cases lying about a previous illness or claiming that
>             there had
>             been no previous medical diagnosis or treatment for
>             conditions that
>             the pilots knew they had.
>
>             Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A., said that
>             pilots could
>             obtain a license only after they submit oral and written
>             tests and
>             current medical certificates. Those certificates can be
>             issued only by
>             an aviation medical examiner registered with the agency.
>             Certain
>             medical conditions would disqualify an applicant from
>             receiving a
>             license.
>
>             "The reason we have disqualifying conditions is to ensure
>             that pilots
>             are not a danger to others, in the air or on the ground,"
>             Ms. Brown
>             said.
>
>             Ms. Brown said that the pilots were charged with either
>             making false
>             statements to a federal official or delivering to a
>             federal official a
>             false written record. She added that 14 of the pilots held
>             active
>             pilot licenses, which were immediately revoked.
>
>             The remaining pilots had licenses that had either lapsed
>             or were
>             missing current information, which would not prevent them
>             from flying
>             a private plane.
>
>             "It's similar to when people go out and drive cars without
>             a license,
>             or drive cars when intoxicated," Ms. Brown said. "It's
>             illegal but
>             they do it."
>
>             At least one of the indicted pilots appeared in Federal
>             District Court
>             in Sacramento on Tuesday. The remaining pilots will be
>             arraigned
>             individually in the coming weeks.
>             Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
>             e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net <mailto:n3773@comcast.net>
>
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