X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail26.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.167] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with ESMTPS id 611008 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:22:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.133.167; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d211-31-217-122.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.31.217.122]) by mail26.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j6LMLhMw025199 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:21:45 +1000 Message-ID: <002501c58e42$b0085910$7ad91fd3@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - we're here to help you Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:22:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C58E96.80FEADA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C58E96.80FEADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Bill, It's a crazy world! I'm moving to LS Category and RAA ( Aust) has nominated me as an = Instructor - Instructor to what/ of what I don't know. It may be because = I hold a PPL and have made enquiries in regard to the proposed new LSC. The only thing they have been able to tell me so far is that, it's = similar to the US - LSA but not the same as the current Australian = legislation doesn't allow it to be exactly the same. The weight is the same, there's no speed limit, the stall is the same = but I notice they mentioned that the stall speed had to be in landing = configuration (here in Aust). I can get the stall speed in the Vision to meet the regs but may need to = use leading edge slots, which pushes the nose way-up and landing in that = configuration limits forward visibility. I'm yet to determine if that = meets proper landing configuration - I suspect it doesn't! I'm keen to get into LSC as I've had trouble in the past getting my = medical approval due to treatment of my PTSD, attributed to my Service = in Vietnam. So I guess I'm one of those 'social leaches' who has been = forced into early retirement and doesn't deserve to fly anyway!=20 George (down under) According the the LSA rules over here, if you have *lost* your = medical, you do not qualify for LSA rules, however if you let it expire, = and move to LSA, that is okay. Peculiar, but okay. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:13 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - we're here to help you Mike, We must have different rules down here! If you lose your medical, you can still drive your car and you only = need a Car licence for Light Sport category - to my knowledge. Although = it's not due to be implemented here in Australia until September, there = could be some guidelines as you indicate. I know people with blood pressure and Diabetes lose their medical - = but doesn't stop them from driving their cars. George ( down under) IF you LOSE your medical, you can NOT indeed drive your car and = still fly a sport/light. If your medical is revoked you are through = flying anything but 103 ultralights. This is going to get a LOT of guys = fried. If you have a know diagnosed illness that would preclude you = getting a medical, you CANNOT fly a sport/light even if you have a = drivers lisence. If you have a medical and fly with a know deficiency, = it is the same as NOT having a medical, even if you do not see a doctor. = Fair or not, that's the rules and those who try to skirt the rules and = get caught are going to be in a hell of a mess. Mike C. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - we're here to help you Kevin, Being on a Disability pension don't stop you flying a plane. It = may make it harder to get a medical clearance and you won't get a = clearance if your on Medication, such as mind bending drugs e.g. Pilots = with past Depression and Bipolar can get Medicals - Paranoid = Schizophrenia is only controlled by mind bending drugs, so that one's a = NO NO! One must be upfront with the details however - some have = suggested that it's easier to lie than get a medical with past medical = conditions. I notice a lot of chaps losing their medicals for Diabetes = and Blood Pressure etc. However you can still drive a car and fly Light Sport Category. George ( down under) Saw this in today's _New York Times_. July 20, 2005 U.S. Says 46 Pilots Lied to Obtain Their Licenses By CAROLYN MARSHALL SAN FRANCISCO, July 19 - Prosecutors in Northern California = have charged 46 pilots with lying to federal authorities to obtain = airplane licenses, in most cases not disclosing debilitating illnesses = that should have kept them grounded. The pilots, who were indicted this week by grand juries in the = eastern and northern federal districts of California, were identified = during an 18-month criminal air traffic safety investigation by the Department of Transportation and the Social Security = Administration that looked into licensed pilots who were also receiving = disability benefits and payments from the government. The investigation, initiated in July 2003, included a review = of more than 40,000 pilot licenses issued in Northern California to = determine whether there had been any misuse or abuse of Social Security = numbers. The authorities reviewed licenses held by both commercial and = private pilots and found that some license applicants claimed to be = medically fit to fly an airplane yet were simultaneously receiving = disability benefits. "The fraud and falsification allegedly committed by these = individuals is extremely serious and adversely affects the public interest = in air safety," said Nicholas Sabatini, an associate administrator = with the Federal Aviation Administration. Charles H. Lee Jr., an assistant inspector general for = investigations at the Department of Transportation, said the reviewers first = focused their investigation on 48 pilots, most of whom were receiving disability payments for illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia, = bipolar disorder and disabling heart conditions. One case, Mr. Lee said, even involved someone who exhibited = severe suicidal tendencies. "To get their certificates, these people had to lie or falsify paperwork," Mr. Lee said. "The F.A.A. has rules and = regulations regarding medical conditions and deemed that all 48 had = medical disabilities that would have disqualified them from holding = pilot certificates." Two cases were dropped, Mr. Lee said, one because the pilot = died. He declined to comment about whether similar investigations were = under way in other states. Of the 46 pilots that Mr. Lee said were charged, 7 held = commercial pilot certificates that would have allowed them to fly as well = as carry cargo; another 4 pilots held air transportation pilot certificates which would let them transport passengers. Of the remaining indicted pilots, 28 had private pilot = licenses, and 7 had student licenses. A charge of lying to the federal authorities carries a penalty = of up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. A charge of = falsifying records carries a penalty of up to one year in prison and a = $100,000 fine. According to court documents, the pilots who were indicted = failed to provide accurate medical history forms, as required by the = F.A.A., in some cases lying about a previous illness or claiming that = there had been no previous medical diagnosis or treatment for conditions = that the pilots knew they had. Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A., said that pilots = could obtain a license only after they submit oral and written tests = and current medical certificates. Those certificates can be issued = only by an aviation medical examiner registered with the agency. = Certain medical conditions would disqualify an applicant from = receiving a license. "The reason we have disqualifying conditions is to ensure that = pilots are not a danger to others, in the air or on the ground," Ms. = Brown said. Ms. Brown said that the pilots were charged with either making = false statements to a federal official or delivering to a federal = official a false written record. She added that 14 of the pilots held = active pilot licenses, which were immediately revoked. The remaining pilots had licenses that had either lapsed or = were missing current information, which would not prevent them from = flying a private plane. "It's similar to when people go out and drive cars without a = license, or drive cars when intoxicated," Ms. Brown said. "It's illegal = but they do it." At least one of the indicted pilots appeared in Federal = District Court in Sacramento on Tuesday. The remaining pilots will be = arraigned individually in the coming weeks. Kevin Lane Portland, OR e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C58E96.80FEADA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Bill,
It's a crazy world!
I'm moving to LS Category and RAA ( Aust) has = nominated me=20 as an Instructor - Instructor to what/ of what I don't know. It may = be=20 because I hold a PPL and have made enquiries in regard to the proposed = new=20 LSC.
 
The only thing they have been able to tell me so = far is=20 that, it's similar to the US - LSA but not the same as the current=20 Australian legislation doesn't allow it to be exactly the=20 same.
The weight is the same, there's no speed limit, = the stall=20 is the same but I notice they mentioned that the stall speed had to be = in=20 landing configuration (here in Aust).
 
I can get the stall speed in the Vision to meet = the regs=20 but may need to use leading edge slots, which pushes the nose way-up and = landing=20 in that configuration limits forward visibility. I'm yet to determine if = that=20 meets proper landing configuration - I suspect it = doesn't!
 
I'm keen to get into LSC as I've had trouble in = the past=20 getting my medical approval due to treatment of my PTSD, attributed to = my=20 Service in Vietnam. So I guess I'm one of those 'social leaches' who has = been forced into early retirement and doesn't deserve to fly=20 anyway! 
 
George (down under)
 
 
According the the LSA rules over here, if you = have=20 *lost* your medical, you do not qualify for LSA rules, however if you = let it=20 expire, and move to LSA, that is okay. Peculiar, but = okay.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 George Lendich
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 = 2:13=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA = - we're=20 here to help you

Mike,
We must have different rules down = here!
If you lose your medical, you can still = drive your car=20 and you only need a Car licence for Light = Sport category =20 - to my knowledge. Although it's not due to be implemented here = in=20 Australia until September, there could be some guidelines as you=20 indicate.
I know people with blood pressure and = Diabetes lose=20 their medical - but doesn't stop them from driving their = cars.
George ( down under)
IF you LOSE your medical, you can NOT = indeed drive=20 your car and still fly a sport/light. If your medical is revoked = you are=20 through flying anything but 103 ultralights. This is going to get = a LOT of=20 guys fried. If you have a know diagnosed illness that would = preclude you=20 getting a medical, you CANNOT fly a sport/light even if you have a = drivers=20 lisence. If you have a medical and fly with a know deficiency, it = is the=20 same as NOT having a medical, even if you do not see a doctor. = Fair or=20 not, that's the rules and those who try to skirt the rules and get = caught=20 are going to be in a hell of a mess.  Mike C.
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 George Lendich =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, = 2005 7:09=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = FAA -=20 we're here to help you

Kevin,
Being on a Disability pension don't = stop you=20 flying a plane. It may make it harder to get a medical clearance = and you=20 won't get a clearance if your on Medication, such as mind = bending drugs=20 e.g. Pilots with past Depression and Bipolar can get = Medicals -=20 Paranoid Schizophrenia is only controlled by mind bending = drugs, so=20 that one's a NO NO!
One must be upfront with the details = however -=20 some have suggested that it's easier to lie than get a medical = with past=20 medical conditions. I notice a lot of chaps losing their = medicals for=20 Diabetes and Blood Pressure etc.
 
However you can still drive a car and = fly Light=20 Sport Category.
George ( down under)
Saw this in today's _New York Times_.

July 20,=20 2005
U.S. Says 46 Pilots Lied to Obtain Their = Licenses
By=20 CAROLYN MARSHALL
SAN FRANCISCO, July 19 - Prosecutors in = Northern=20 California have
charged 46 pilots with lying to federal = authorities=20 to obtain airplane
licenses, in most cases not disclosing=20 debilitating illnesses that
should have kept them=20 grounded.

The pilots, who were indicted this week by = grand=20 juries in the eastern
and northern federal districts of = California,=20 were identified during
an 18-month criminal air traffic = safety=20 investigation by the
Department of Transportation and the = Social=20 Security Administration
that looked into licensed pilots = who were=20 also receiving disability
benefits and payments from the=20 government.

The investigation, initiated in July 2003, = included=20 a review of more
than 40,000 pilot licenses issued in = Northern=20 California to determine
whether there had been any misuse = or abuse=20 of Social Security numbers.
The authorities reviewed = licenses held=20 by both commercial and private
pilots and found that some = license=20 applicants claimed to be medically
fit to fly an airplane = yet were=20 simultaneously receiving disability
benefits.

"The = fraud and=20 falsification allegedly committed by these individuals
is = extremely=20 serious and adversely affects the public interest in = air
safety,"=20 said Nicholas Sabatini, an associate administrator with = the
Federal=20 Aviation Administration.

Charles H. Lee Jr., an = assistant=20 inspector general for investigations
at the Department of=20 Transportation, said the reviewers first focused
their=20 investigation on 48 pilots, most of whom were = receiving
disability=20 payments for illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia,=20 bipolar
disorder and disabling heart conditions.

One = case,=20 Mr. Lee said, even involved someone who exhibited = severe
suicidal=20 tendencies.

"To get their certificates, these people = had to lie=20 or falsify
paperwork," Mr. Lee said. "The F.A.A. has rules = and=20 regulations
regarding medical conditions and deemed that = all 48 had=20 medical
disabilities that would have disqualified them from = holding=20 pilot
certificates."

Two cases were dropped, Mr. Lee = said,=20 one because the pilot died. He
declined to comment about = whether=20 similar investigations were under
way in other = states.

Of=20 the 46 pilots that Mr. Lee said were charged, 7 held=20 commercial
pilot certificates that would have allowed them = to fly=20 as well as
carry cargo; another 4 pilots held air = transportation=20 pilot
certificates which would let them transport=20 passengers.

Of the remaining indicted pilots, 28 had = private=20 pilot licenses, and 7
had student licenses.

A charge = of=20 lying to the federal authorities carries a penalty of up
to = five=20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. A charge of = falsifying
records=20 carries a penalty of up to one year in prison and a=20 $100,000
fine.

According to court documents, the = pilots who=20 were indicted failed to
provide accurate medical history = forms, as=20 required by the F.A.A., in
some cases lying about a = previous=20 illness or claiming that there had
been no previous medical = diagnosis or treatment for conditions that
the pilots knew = they=20 had.

Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A., said = that=20 pilots could
obtain a license only after they submit oral = and=20 written tests and
current medical certificates. Those = certificates=20 can be issued only by
an aviation medical examiner = registered with=20 the agency. Certain
medical conditions would disqualify an=20 applicant from receiving a
license.

"The reason we = have=20 disqualifying conditions is to ensure that pilots
are not a = danger=20 to others, in the air or on the ground," Ms. = Brown
said.

Ms.=20 Brown said that the pilots were charged with either making=20 false
statements to a federal official or delivering to a = federal=20 official a
false written record. She added that 14 of the = pilots=20 held active
pilot licenses, which were immediately=20 revoked.

The remaining pilots had licenses that had = either=20 lapsed or were
missing current information, which would not = prevent=20 them from flying
a private plane.

"It's similar to = when=20 people go out and drive cars without a license,
or drive = cars when=20 intoxicated," Ms. Brown said. "It's illegal but
they do=20 it."

At least one of the indicted pilots appeared in = Federal=20 District Court
in Sacramento on Tuesday. The remaining = pilots will=20 be arraigned
individually in the coming weeks.
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
 
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