X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with ESMTP id 610013 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:22:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.131.117; envelope-from=micallahan@worldnet.att.net Received: from unknown (10.birmingham-01-03rs.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.162.10]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2005072105060111300pbf01e>; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:06:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c58db1$ba753b20$0aa24a0c@unknown> From: "Michael D. Callahan" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - we're here to help you Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:57:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C58D86.D49696A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C58D86.D49696A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IF you LOSE your medical, you can NOT indeed drive your car and still = fly a sport/light. If your medical is revoked you are through flying = anything but 103 ultralights. This is going to get a LOT of guys fried. = If you have a know diagnosed illness that would preclude you getting a = medical, you CANNOT fly a sport/light even if you have a drivers = lisence. If you have a medical and fly with a know deficiency, it is the = same as NOT having a medical, even if you do not see a doctor. Fair or = not, that's the rules and those who try to skirt the rules and get = caught are going to be in a hell of a mess. Mike C. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - we're here to help you Kevin, Being on a Disability pension don't stop you flying a plane. It may = make it harder to get a medical clearance and you won't get a clearance = if your on Medication, such as mind bending drugs e.g. Pilots with past = Depression and Bipolar can get Medicals - Paranoid Schizophrenia is only = controlled by mind bending drugs, so that one's a NO NO! One must be upfront with the details however - some have suggested = that it's easier to lie than get a medical with past medical conditions. = I notice a lot of chaps losing their medicals for Diabetes and Blood = Pressure etc. However you can still drive a car and fly Light Sport Category. George ( down under) Saw this in today's _New York Times_. July 20, 2005 U.S. Says 46 Pilots Lied to Obtain Their Licenses By CAROLYN MARSHALL SAN FRANCISCO, July 19 - Prosecutors in Northern California have charged 46 pilots with lying to federal authorities to obtain = airplane licenses, in most cases not disclosing debilitating illnesses that should have kept them grounded. The pilots, who were indicted this week by grand juries in the = eastern and northern federal districts of California, were identified during an 18-month criminal air traffic safety investigation by the Department of Transportation and the Social Security Administration that looked into licensed pilots who were also receiving disability benefits and payments from the government. The investigation, initiated in July 2003, included a review of more than 40,000 pilot licenses issued in Northern California to = determine whether there had been any misuse or abuse of Social Security = numbers. The authorities reviewed licenses held by both commercial and = private pilots and found that some license applicants claimed to be = medically fit to fly an airplane yet were simultaneously receiving disability benefits. "The fraud and falsification allegedly committed by these = individuals is extremely serious and adversely affects the public interest in = air safety," said Nicholas Sabatini, an associate administrator with the Federal Aviation Administration. Charles H. Lee Jr., an assistant inspector general for = investigations at the Department of Transportation, said the reviewers first = focused their investigation on 48 pilots, most of whom were receiving disability payments for illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia, = bipolar disorder and disabling heart conditions. One case, Mr. Lee said, even involved someone who exhibited severe suicidal tendencies. "To get their certificates, these people had to lie or falsify paperwork," Mr. Lee said. "The F.A.A. has rules and regulations regarding medical conditions and deemed that all 48 had medical disabilities that would have disqualified them from holding pilot certificates." Two cases were dropped, Mr. Lee said, one because the pilot died. He declined to comment about whether similar investigations were under way in other states. Of the 46 pilots that Mr. Lee said were charged, 7 held commercial pilot certificates that would have allowed them to fly as well as carry cargo; another 4 pilots held air transportation pilot certificates which would let them transport passengers. Of the remaining indicted pilots, 28 had private pilot licenses, and = 7 had student licenses. A charge of lying to the federal authorities carries a penalty of up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. A charge of falsifying records carries a penalty of up to one year in prison and a $100,000 fine. According to court documents, the pilots who were indicted failed to provide accurate medical history forms, as required by the F.A.A., = in some cases lying about a previous illness or claiming that there had been no previous medical diagnosis or treatment for conditions that the pilots knew they had. Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A., said that pilots could obtain a license only after they submit oral and written tests and current medical certificates. Those certificates can be issued only = by an aviation medical examiner registered with the agency. Certain medical conditions would disqualify an applicant from receiving a license. "The reason we have disqualifying conditions is to ensure that = pilots are not a danger to others, in the air or on the ground," Ms. Brown said. Ms. Brown said that the pilots were charged with either making false statements to a federal official or delivering to a federal official = a false written record. She added that 14 of the pilots held active pilot licenses, which were immediately revoked. The remaining pilots had licenses that had either lapsed or were missing current information, which would not prevent them from = flying a private plane. "It's similar to when people go out and drive cars without a = license, or drive cars when intoxicated," Ms. Brown said. "It's illegal but they do it." At least one of the indicted pilots appeared in Federal District = Court in Sacramento on Tuesday. The remaining pilots will be arraigned individually in the coming weeks. Kevin Lane Portland, OR e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C58D86.D49696A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IF you LOSE your medical, you can NOT indeed = drive your=20 car and still fly a sport/light. If your medical is revoked you are = through=20 flying anything but 103 ultralights. This is going to get a LOT of guys = fried.=20 If you have a know diagnosed illness that would preclude you getting a = medical,=20 you CANNOT fly a sport/light even if you have a drivers lisence. If you = have a=20 medical and fly with a know deficiency, it is the same as NOT having a = medical,=20 even if you do not see a doctor. Fair or not, that's the rules and those = who try=20 to skirt the rules and get caught are going to be in a hell of a = mess. =20 Mike C.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 George=20 Lendich
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 = 7:09=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - = we're here=20 to help you

Kevin,
Being on a Disability pension don't stop = you flying=20 a plane. It may make it harder to get a medical clearance and you = won't get a=20 clearance if your on Medication, such as mind bending drugs e.g. = Pilots with=20 past Depression and Bipolar can get Medicals - Paranoid=20 Schizophrenia is only controlled by mind bending drugs, so that = one's a=20 NO NO!
One must be upfront with the details however - = some have=20 suggested that it's easier to lie than get a medical with past medical = conditions. I notice a lot of chaps losing their medicals for Diabetes = and=20 Blood Pressure etc.
 
However you can still drive a car and fly = Light Sport=20 Category.
George ( down under)
Saw this in today's _New York Times_.

July 20, = 2005
U.S. Says=20 46 Pilots Lied to Obtain Their Licenses
By CAROLYN = MARSHALL
SAN=20 FRANCISCO, July 19 - Prosecutors in Northern California = have
charged 46=20 pilots with lying to federal authorities to obtain = airplane
licenses, in=20 most cases not disclosing debilitating illnesses that
should have = kept=20 them grounded.

The pilots, who were indicted this week by = grand=20 juries in the eastern
and northern federal districts of = California, were=20 identified during
an 18-month criminal air traffic safety = investigation=20 by the
Department of Transportation and the Social Security=20 Administration
that looked into licensed pilots who were also = receiving=20 disability
benefits and payments from the government.

The=20 investigation, initiated in July 2003, included a review of = more
than=20 40,000 pilot licenses issued in Northern California to = determine
whether=20 there had been any misuse or abuse of Social Security = numbers.
The=20 authorities reviewed licenses held by both commercial and = private
pilots=20 and found that some license applicants claimed to be = medically
fit to fly=20 an airplane yet were simultaneously receiving=20 disability
benefits.

"The fraud and falsification = allegedly=20 committed by these individuals
is extremely serious and adversely = affects=20 the public interest in air
safety," said Nicholas Sabatini, an = associate=20 administrator with the
Federal Aviation = Administration.

Charles H.=20 Lee Jr., an assistant inspector general for investigations
at the = Department of Transportation, said the reviewers first = focused
their=20 investigation on 48 pilots, most of whom were = receiving
disability=20 payments for illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia, = bipolar
disorder and=20 disabling heart conditions.

One case, Mr. Lee said, even = involved=20 someone who exhibited severe
suicidal tendencies.

"To get = their=20 certificates, these people had to lie or falsify
paperwork," Mr. = Lee=20 said. "The F.A.A. has rules and regulations
regarding medical = conditions=20 and deemed that all 48 had medical
disabilities that would have=20 disqualified them from holding pilot
certificates."

Two = cases were=20 dropped, Mr. Lee said, one because the pilot died. He
declined to = comment=20 about whether similar investigations were under
way in other=20 states.

Of the 46 pilots that Mr. Lee said were charged, 7 = held=20 commercial
pilot certificates that would have allowed them to fly = as well=20 as
carry cargo; another 4 pilots held air transportation=20 pilot
certificates which would let them transport = passengers.

Of=20 the remaining indicted pilots, 28 had private pilot licenses, and = 7
had=20 student licenses.

A charge of lying to the federal = authorities=20 carries a penalty of up
to five years in prison and a $250,000 = fine. A=20 charge of falsifying
records carries a penalty of up to one year = in=20 prison and a $100,000
fine.

According to court documents, = the=20 pilots who were indicted failed to
provide accurate medical = history=20 forms, as required by the F.A.A., in
some cases lying about a = previous=20 illness or claiming that there had
been no previous medical = diagnosis or=20 treatment for conditions that
the pilots knew they = had.

Laura=20 Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A., said that pilots = could
obtain a=20 license only after they submit oral and written tests and
current = medical=20 certificates. Those certificates can be issued only by
an = aviation=20 medical examiner registered with the agency. Certain
medical = conditions=20 would disqualify an applicant from receiving = a
license.

"The=20 reason we have disqualifying conditions is to ensure that = pilots
are not=20 a danger to others, in the air or on the ground," Ms.=20 Brown
said.

Ms. Brown said that the pilots were charged = with=20 either making false
statements to a federal official or = delivering to a=20 federal official a
false written record. She added that 14 of the = pilots=20 held active
pilot licenses, which were immediately = revoked.

The=20 remaining pilots had licenses that had either lapsed or = were
missing=20 current information, which would not prevent them from flying
a = private=20 plane.

"It's similar to when people go out and drive cars = without a=20 license,
or drive cars when intoxicated," Ms. Brown said. "It's = illegal=20 but
they do it."

At least one of the indicted pilots = appeared in=20 Federal District Court
in Sacramento on Tuesday. The remaining = pilots=20 will be arraigned
individually in the coming weeks.
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
 
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