X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with ESMTP id 220940 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:01:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.162.199; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so42916nzn for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:00:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=i860b3Bxh1V1U42DmF4vg/obqDug+kSzyku0WPweAscasD1Icy/18SFdPZH1atrMppz8Mi6ah4n8WUWnEBrknO7YQiY3+3+ZQAeQQKAa/2oH5rnJGftLqgX5umJtIvBZWmUHUV1DiBKBQdDhX00fn5VunOJE5jBrZO9W7HFgMzk= Received: by 10.37.12.48 with SMTP id p48mr524117nzi; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.9.4 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1c23473f050720210074e1b414@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:00:07 -0700 From: David Leonard Reply-To: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FAA - we're here to help you In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10330_22422758.1121918407878" References: ------=_Part_10330_22422758.1121918407878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline George, that is a bunch of BS!! If you are so disabled that you are=20 completely unable to contribute to society and hold down a job, then you ar= e=20 too disabled to be flying a plane, especially with a commercial rating. Are= =20 these people "DISABLED" or not. I mean really, if your mental or other=20 disorder means you just can't show up to work each day, then I don't want= =20 you flying over my house. Lets face it. These people are scam artists,=20 living off the rest of us who put in our 60 hrs/wk. ...I'm so crazy I can't show up to work so you all must pay me, but I seem= =20 to do fine flying passengers around the sky...=20 Dave Leonard On 7/20/05, George Lendich wrote:=20 >=20 > Kevin, > Being on a Disability pension don't stop you flying a plane. It may make= =20 > it harder to get a medical clearance and you won't get a clearance if you= r=20 > on Medication, such as mind bending drugs e.g. Pilots with past Depressio= n=20 > and Bipolar can get Medicals - Paranoid Schizophrenia is only controlled = by=20 > mind bending drugs, so that one's a NO NO! > One must be upfront with the details however - some have suggested that= =20 > it's easier to lie than get a medical with past medical conditions. I not= ice=20 > a lot of chaps losing their medicals for Diabetes and Blood Pressure etc. > However you can still drive a car and fly Light Sport Category. > George ( down under) > =20 > Saw this in today's _New York Times_. >=20 > July 20, 2005 > U.S. Says 46 Pilots Lied to Obtain Their Licenses > By CAROLYN MARSHALL > SAN FRANCISCO, July 19 - Prosecutors in Northern California have > charged 46 pilots with lying to federal authorities to obtain airplane > licenses, in most cases not disclosing debilitating illnesses that > should have kept them grounded. >=20 > The pilots, who were indicted this week by grand juries in the eastern > and northern federal districts of California, were identified during > an 18-month criminal air traffic safety investigation by the > Department of Transportation and the Social Security Administration > that looked into licensed pilots who were also receiving disability > benefits and payments from the government. >=20 > The investigation, initiated in July 2003, included a review of more > than 40,000 pilot licenses issued in Northern California to determine > whether there had been any misuse or abuse of Social Security numbers. > The authorities reviewed licenses held by both commercial and private > pilots and found that some license applicants claimed to be medically > fit to fly an airplane yet were simultaneously receiving disability > benefits. >=20 > "The fraud and falsification allegedly committed by these individuals > is extremely serious and adversely affects the public interest in air > safety," said Nicholas Sabatini, an associate administrator with the > Federal Aviation Administration. >=20 > Charles H. Lee Jr., an assistant inspector general for investigations > at the Department of Transportation, said the reviewers first focused > their investigation on 48 pilots, most of whom were receiving > disability payments for illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia, bipolar > disorder and disabling heart conditions. >=20 > One case, Mr. Lee said, even involved someone who exhibited severe > suicidal tendencies. >=20 > "To get their certificates, these people had to lie or falsify > paperwork," Mr. Lee said. "The F.A.A. has rules and regulations > regarding medical conditions and deemed that all 48 had medical > disabilities that would have disqualified them from holding pilot > certificates." >=20 > Two cases were dropped, Mr. Lee said, one because the pilot died. He > declined to comment about whether similar investigations were under > way in other states. >=20 > Of the 46 pilots that Mr. Lee said were charged, 7 held commercial > pilot certificates that would have allowed them to fly as well as > carry cargo; another 4 pilots held air transportation pilot > certificates which would let them transport passengers. >=20 > Of the remaining indicted pilots, 28 had private pilot licenses, and 7 > had student licenses. >=20 > A charge of lying to the federal authorities carries a penalty of up > to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. A charge of falsifying > records carries a penalty of up to one year in prison and a $100,000 > fine. >=20 > According to court documents, the pilots who were indicted failed to > provide accurate medical history forms, as required by the F.A.A., in > some cases lying about a previous illness or claiming that there had > been no previous medical diagnosis or treatment for conditions that > the pilots knew they had. >=20 > Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A., said that pilots could > obtain a license only after they submit oral and written tests and > current medical certificates. Those certificates can be issued only by > an aviation medical examiner registered with the agency. Certain > medical conditions would disqualify an applicant from receiving a > license. >=20 > "The reason we have disqualifying conditions is to ensure that pilots > are not a danger to others, in the air or on the ground," Ms. Brown > said. >=20 > Ms. Brown said that the pilots were charged with either making false > statements to a federal official or delivering to a federal official a > false written record. She added that 14 of the pilots held active > pilot licenses, which were immediately revoked. >=20 > The remaining pilots had licenses that had either lapsed or were > missing current information, which would not prevent them from flying > a private plane. >=20 > "It's similar to when people go out and drive cars without a license, > or drive cars when intoxicated," Ms. Brown said. "It's illegal but > they do it." >=20 > At least one of the indicted pilots appeared in Federal District Court > in Sacramento on Tuesday. The remaining pilots will be arraigned > individually in the coming weeks. > Kevin Lane Portland, OR > e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net > =20 > =20 --=20 Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/vp4skydoc/index.html ------=_Part_10330_22422758.1121918407878 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
George, that is a bunch of BS!!  If you are so disabled that you = are completely unable to contribute to society and hold down a job, then yo= u are too disabled to be flying a plane, especially with a commercial ratin= g.  Are these people "DISABLED" or not.  I mean really,= if your mental or other disorder means you just can't show up to work each= day, then I don't want you flying over my house.  Lets face it. = These people are scam artists, living off the rest of us who put in our 60= hrs/wk.
 
...I'm so crazy I can't show up to work so you all must pay me, but I = seem to do fine flying passengers around the sky... 
 
Dave Leonard
 
On 7/20/05, = George Lendich <lendich@o= ptusnet.com.au> wrote:
Kevin,
Being on a Disability pension don't stop you= flying a plane. It may make it harder to get a medical clearance and you w= on't get a clearance if your on Medication, such as mind bending drugs e.g.= Pilots with past Depression and Bipolar can get Medicals - Paranoid S= chizophrenia is only controlled by mind bending drugs, so that one's a= NO NO!
One must be upfront with the details however - so= me have suggested that it's easier to lie than get a medical with past medi= cal conditions. I notice a lot of chaps losing their medicals for Diabetes = and Blood Pressure etc.
 
However you can still drive a car and fly Light S= port Category.
George ( down under)
Saw this in today's _New York Times_.

July 20, 2005
U.S. Say= s 46 Pilots Lied to Obtain Their Licenses
By CAROLYN MARSHALL
SAN FRA= NCISCO, July 19 - Prosecutors in Northern California have
charged 46 pil= ots with lying to federal authorities to obtain airplane
licenses, in most cases not disclosing debilitating illnesses that
s= hould have kept them grounded.

The pilots, who were indicted this we= ek by grand juries in the eastern
and northern federal districts of Cali= fornia, were identified during
an 18-month criminal air traffic safety investigation by the
Departm= ent of Transportation and the Social Security Administration
that looked= into licensed pilots who were also receiving disability
benefits and pa= yments from the government.

The investigation, initiated in July 2003, included a review of mor= e
than 40,000 pilot licenses issued in Northern California to determine<= br>whether there had been any misuse or abuse of Social Security numbers.
The authorities reviewed licenses held by both commercial and privatepilots and found that some license applicants claimed to be medically
= fit to fly an airplane yet were simultaneously receiving disability
benefits.

"The fraud and falsification allegedly committed by t= hese individuals
is extremely serious and adversely affects the public i= nterest in air
safety," said Nicholas Sabatini, an associate admini= strator with the
Federal Aviation Administration.

Charles H. Lee Jr., an assistan= t inspector general for investigations
at the Department of Transportati= on, said the reviewers first focused
their investigation on 48 pilots, m= ost of whom were receiving
disability payments for illnesses like paranoid schizophrenia, bipolar<= br>disorder and disabling heart conditions.

One case, Mr. Lee said, = even involved someone who exhibited severe
suicidal tendencies.

"To get their certificates, these people had to lie or falsify
pape= rwork," Mr. Lee said. "The F.A.A. has rules and regulations
re= garding medical conditions and deemed that all 48 had medical
disabiliti= es that would have disqualified them from holding pilot
certificates."

Two cases were dropped, Mr. Lee said, one be= cause the pilot died. He
declined to comment about whether similar inves= tigations were under
way in other states.

Of the 46 pilots that M= r. Lee said were charged, 7 held commercial
pilot certificates that would have allowed them to fly as well as
ca= rry cargo; another 4 pilots held air transportation pilot
certificates w= hich would let them transport passengers.

Of the remaining indicted = pilots, 28 had private pilot licenses, and 7
had student licenses.

A charge of lying to the federal authoriti= es carries a penalty of up
to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. = A charge of falsifying
records carries a penalty of up to one year in pr= ison and a $100,000
fine.

According to court documents, the pilots who were indicted= failed to
provide accurate medical history forms, as required by the F.= A.A., in
some cases lying about a previous illness or claiming that ther= e had
been no previous medical diagnosis or treatment for conditions that
= the pilots knew they had.

Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the F.A.A.,= said that pilots could
obtain a license only after they submit oral and= written tests and
current medical certificates. Those certificates can be issued only by<= br>an aviation medical examiner registered with the agency. Certain
medi= cal conditions would disqualify an applicant from receiving a
license.

"The reason we have disqualifying conditions is to ensure that= pilots
are not a danger to others, in the air or on the ground," M= s. Brown
said.

Ms. Brown said that the pilots were charged with e= ither making false
statements to a federal official or delivering to a federal official a<= br>false written record. She added that 14 of the pilots held active
pil= ot licenses, which were immediately revoked.

The remaining pilots ha= d licenses that had either lapsed or were
missing current information, which would not prevent them from flyinga private plane.

"It's similar to when people go out and driv= e cars without a license,
or drive cars when intoxicated," Ms. Brow= n said. "It's illegal but
they do it."

At least one of the indicted pilots appeared i= n Federal District Court
in Sacramento on Tuesday. The remaining pilots = will be arraigned
individually in the coming weeks.
Kevin Lane  Portland, OR
e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net
 
 



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Turbo Rotary = RV-6 N4VY
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