X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.103] (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with ESMTP id 220124 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:34:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-065-188-083-049.carolina.res.rr.com [65.188.83.49]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j6KCY0L5014020 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c58d27$50705ff0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Luckiest Bad Day I ever had... AKA strange events, good luck for me, bad luck for my RWS products Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:34:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C58D05.C9258780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C58D05.C9258780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, And I used to think I have great "bad" luck (engine miss =3D> hydraulic = line bust =3D> prevented landing on runway at next stop out over a lake) = - but, I think you now hold the record for the longest string of = fortuitous "bad" things which result in a "good" thing - like not flying = with a busted gearbox. Naturally, we are all very interested in what = Tracy finds with the gear box. I think when I "froze" my gearbox with = nickel plating flaking off was the closest thing I have heard to a gear = box failure - and that was not the RD-1B's fault. Congratulations on = paying attention to what things were telling you. If it don't feel = right - it probably isn't. Ed A ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Luckiest Bad Day I ever had... AKA strange = events, good luck for me, bad luck for my RWS products Here is the strange series of fortunate events: Yesterday: Finish removing the waste gate flapper (making the waste = gate wide open). Install an aftermarket racing muffler (easy, light = weight, works pretty well =96 may not last), and finish installing new = tires and wheel pants with fresh coat of primer. Fix oil leak at = redrive exit, and small coolant leak. Remove Evans coolant and put = wetted water back in. Ground engine run, all is well.=20 Brief flight around the pattern, performing and cooling very well. Fly 20 miles from MFY to CRQ near my house (saving 1.5 hrs of driving = in traffic) =96 (they are removing GA from all the local airports and = NOTHING is available there and the are not taking any names): On = start-up engine running rough, switch to computer B fixes problem = (frequent occurrence of rough running on computer A when engine warm = that I attribute to heat soak of the manifold temp sensor =96 runs = normally after take off). Fly to CRQ on computer B (forgot to change = back to computer A) with great performance and cooling =96 land an taxi = on computer B. Today: Arrive at airport with wife, load plane for trip to mountains. = Start on computer A and taxi out. Switch to computer B during run-up = and it sounds like it is running on one rotor, but normal on computer A. = Tried change in mixture, cold start, and lead/trail tests, mixture = variance without change. Dang! Taxied back to parking on controller A which was working perfectly. = The only thing I could think of which would make one computer work but = not the other was the MAP tubing=85. which was intact on inspection. = Tried it again turning off all avionics =96 no change. I called Tracy and discussed the issue =96 leading culprit seemed to = be the primary injector actuator of one of the rotors for the computer = B. Time to call in Fed-ex before Tracy leaves for Oshkosh. BUT, I am away from my hangar in 95+ heat with no tools or shade=85. = Then someone offers some shade and says throw on that cowl and taxi = over, so I do (foreshadowing #1).=20 FORTUNATE EVENT #1: So, because my engine sounds so strange all the = old guys are stopping over for a chat and to see if they can help=85 I = need a hangar at this airport I say, and low and behold within 2 hours I = am paying for my new hangar. Never mind that I am going to be paying = $625/mo for a tiny t-hangar with no power and the locks don't work!! I = am still glad to have something near my house. =96 hand over the = check=85 So I decide to taxi over to my hangar. On accident, I start it on = computer B AND IT WORKS!!! WTF???? Now everything is working as = normal=85 unlikely a failed component in the EC2.. Hmmmm=20 So we go to lunch and I think about it=85 Wife says that it sounded = really funny from the outside on the last engine start, kind of like a = gear-box noise (foreshadow #2). "That's OK" I say, "the new muffler is = just allowing you to hear the non-engine noises better". Finally decide = to go back and try it again.. Start it up an everything seems OK on = both computers.. why not take it once around the pattern or = something?=85=20 Get ATIS, talk to ground, taxi, wait my turn, position and hold, = cleared for take off, throttle forward and suddenly remember the cowl is = only thrown on=85 no pins in place! Idiot!! (Fortunate events #2 and = #3). Abort, no issue, taxi back is normal, shutdown is particularly = smooth =96 no rattle like usual =96 must be the new muffler (foreshadow = #3).=20 I put the plane in it's estate (after all it must be an estate for = that price), and another old guy comes over. Sounds funny.. yea yea=85 = Show him the engine, pull the prop through a couple times=85 wait, that = feels funny=85 HEY! The flywheel is barely turning as I turn the prop=85 Oh there it = goes, the prop is totally freewheeling!!!=20 It was the luckiest bad day I ever had. My RD-1B is clearly broke, = completely. Last inspection was less than 10 hours ago, no issues. =20 When computer B was not working sometimes it would give a backfire and = it was running VERY rough. Maybe that was the cause. Maybe I put it = back together wrong after the last inspection=85 Tomorrow I will go get my tools and close out my old hangar. Take off = the RD-1B and EC2. Send both back for inspection and upgrades=85.. I guess there will be no flying this vacation, but that's OK because I = still have a plane and my skin=85. =20 Luckiest Bad Day I ever had=85 --=20 Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/vp4skydoc/index.html ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C58D05.C9258780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dave,
 
And I used to think I have great "bad"=20 luck (engine  miss =3D> hydraulic line bust =3D> = prevented=20 landing on runway at next stop out over a lake)  - but, I = think you=20 now hold the record for the longest string of fortuitous "bad" things = which=20 result in a "good" thing - like not flying with a busted gearbox. =20 Naturally, we are all very interested in what Tracy finds with the gear=20 box.   I think when I "froze" my gearbox with nickel plating = flaking=20 off was the closest thing I have heard to a gear box failure - and that = was not=20 the RD-1B's fault.  Congratulations on paying attention to what = things were=20 telling you.  If it don't feel right - it probably = isn't.
 
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 = 12:43=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Luckiest = Bad Day I=20 ever had... AKA strange events, good luck for me, bad luck for my RWS=20 products


Here is the strange series of fortunate=20 events:

 

Yesterday: =20 Finish removing the waste gate flapper (making the waste gate = wide=20 open).   Install an = aftermarket=20 racing muffler (easy, light weight, works pretty well =96 may not = last), and=20 finish installing new tires and wheel pants with fresh coat of = primer.  Fix oil leak at redrive = exit, and=20 small coolant leak.   = Remove Evans=20 coolant and put wetted water back in.

 

Ground engine run, all is well.

 

Brief flight around the pattern, performing = and cooling=20 very well.

 

Fly 20 miles from MFY to CRQ near my house = (saving 1.5=20 hrs of driving in traffic) =96 (they are removing GA from all the = local airports=20 and NOTHING is available there and the are not taking any names): =   On start-up engine running = rough,=20 switch to computer B fixes problem (frequent occurrence of rough = running on=20 computer A when engine warm that I attribute to heat soak of the = manifold temp=20 sensor =96 runs normally after take off).  =20 Fly to CRQ on computer B (forgot to change back to computer A) = with=20 great performance and cooling =96 land an taxi on computer = B.

 

Today: =20 Arrive at airport with wife, load plane for trip to = mountains.  Start on computer A and taxi = out.  Switch to computer B during = run-up and=20 it sounds like it is running on one rotor, but normal on computer = A.  Tried change in mixture, = cold start,=20 and lead/trail tests, mixture variance without change.  Dang!

 

Taxied back to parking on controller A which = was=20 working perfectly.  The = only thing=20 I could think of which would make one computer work but not the other = was the=20 MAP tubing=85. which was intact on inspection.   Tried it again turning off = all=20 avionics =96 no change.

 

I=20 called Tracy and discussed the issue =96 leading culprit seemed to be = the=20 primary injector  = actuator of one=20 of the rotors for the computer B.  =20 Time to call in Fed-ex before Tracy leaves for = Oshkosh.

 

BUT, I am away from my hangar in 95+ heat = with no tools=20 or shade=85.  Then = someone offers=20 some shade and says throw on that cowl and taxi over, so I do = (foreshadowing=20 #1).

 

FORTUNATE EVENT #1:  So, because my engine sounds = so=20 strange all the old guys are stopping over for a chat and to see if = they can=20 help=85   I need a = hangar at this=20 airport I say, and low and behold within 2 hours I am paying for my = new=20 hangar.  Never mind that = I am=20 going to be paying $625/mo for a tiny t-hangar with no power and the = locks=20 don't work!!   I am = still glad to=20 have something near my house. =96 hand over the check=85

 

So=20 I decide to taxi over to my hangar. =20 On accident, I start it on computer B AND IT WORKS!!!   WTF????   Now everything is = working as=20 normal=85  unlikely a = failed=20 component in the EC2..   =20 Hmmmm

 

So=20 we go to lunch and I think about it=85 =20 Wife says that it sounded really funny from the outside on the = last=20 engine start, kind of like a gear-box noise (foreshadow #2).   "That's OK" I say, "the new = muffler is=20 just allowing you to hear the non-engine noises better".  Finally decide to go back = and try it=20 again..   Start it up an = everything seems OK on both computers.. =20 why not take it once around the pattern or something?=85 =

 

Get ATIS, talk to ground, taxi, wait my turn, = position=20 and hold, cleared for take off, throttle forward and suddenly remember = the=20 cowl is only thrown on=85   = no pins=20 in place!  Idiot!! = (Fortunate=20 events #2 and #3).  = Abort, no=20 issue, taxi back is normal, shutdown is particularly smooth =96 no = rattle like=20 usual =96 must be the new muffler (foreshadow #3).

 

I=20 put the plane in it's estate (after all it must be an estate for that = price),=20 and another old guy comes over. Sounds funny.. yea yea=85   Show him the engine, pull = the prop=20 through a couple times=85  = wait,=20 that feels funny=85

 

HEY!  = The=20 flywheel is barely turning as I turn the prop=85 Oh there it goes, the = prop is=20 totally freewheeling!!!

 

It=20 was the luckiest bad day I ever had. =20 My RD-1B is clearly broke, completely.=20   Last inspection was less than 10 hours ago, no = issues. 

 

When computer B was not working sometimes it = would give=20 a backfire and it was running VERY rough.  Maybe that was the cause. =   Maybe I put it back together = wrong=20 after the last inspection=85

 

Tomorrow I will go get my tools and close out = my old=20 hangar.  Take off the = RD-1B and=20 EC2.   Send both back = for=20 inspection and upgrades=85..

 

I=20 guess there will be no flying this vacation, but that's OK because I = still=20 have a plane and my skin=85. =20

 

Luckiest=20 Bad Day I ever had=85


--
Dave Leonard
Turbo = Rotary RV-6=20 N4VY
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