X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTPS id 1007041 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:30:38 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.182; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-0-190.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.0.190]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j5JLTlm3014022 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:29:49 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c57516$08abe320$be00ecdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: LIght Sport Aircraft Rules Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:29:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C57569.D9D618F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C57569.D9D618F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken, That's interesting, I always thought 1320 lbs was 600 kilo ( i.e. 1320/ = 2.2). Anyhow there are some differences between the Aussie rules -the stall = speed has to be in landing configuration at 45knots and no speed limit - = it will be administer by RAA. Nothing has been officially released yet and that's all I've been able = to glean from the powers that be, but I suspect that the other rules = will be very similar, as we are trying to be in line globally. George ( down under)=20 Jim Sower asked: 'OK. What's the stall/landing speed limitation? ... = Jim S.'=20 (From the EAA Website) To be defined as a light-sport aircraft, the aircraft must meet the = following parameters: =81o Maximum gross takeoff weight-1,320 lbs (599 kg.), 1,430 lbs. for water = operation. =81o Lighter-than-air light-sport aircraft maximum gross weight-660 = lbs (300 kg.) =81o Maximum stall speed-51 mph (45 knots) =81o Maximum speed in level flight with maximum continuous power = (Vh)-138 mph (120 knots) =81o Two-place maximum (pilot and one passenger) =81o Single, non-turbine engine only, including rotary and diesel = engines =81o Fixed or ground adjustable propeller =81o Unpressurized cabin =81o Fixed landing gear =81o Repositionable landing gear for seaplanes allowing the wheels to = be rotated for amphibious operation. =81o Can be manufactured and sold ready-to-fly under a new Special = Light-Sport (S-LSA) aircraft certification without FAR Part 23 = compliance. Aircraft must meet ASTM (American Society of Testing and = Materials, Int'l) consensus standards. Aircraft under this certification = may be used for sport and recreation, flight training, and aircraft = rental. =81o Can be licensed Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft (E-LSA) if kit- = or plans-built. Aircraft under this certification may be used only for = sport and recreation and flight instruction for the owner of the = aircraft. =81o Can be licensed Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft (E-LSA) if it = was kit- or plans-built and operated as an ultralight trainers. = Application must be submitted within 36 months after the effective date = of the rule.=20 =81o Will have FAA registration-N-number. =81o Aircraft category and class includes: Airplane (Land/Sea), = Gyroplane, Airship, Balloon, Weight-Shift-Control (Trike Land/Sea), and = Powered Parachute (land/sea). =81o U.S. or foreign manufacture of light-sport aircraft is = authorized. =81o May be operated at night by a private pilot if the aircraft is = equipped per FAR 91.209 and the pilot holds a minimum of a third-class = medical). Ken Powell=20 B ryant, Arkansas=20 501-847-4721=20 C150 / RV-4 -------------- Original message --------------=20 > OK. What's the stall/landing speed limitation? ... Jim S.=20 >=20 > kenpowell@comcast.net wrote:=20 >=20 > > LSA gross weight is 1320 lbs. 1250 was the original proposal.=20 > >=20 > > Ken Powell=20 > > Bryant, Arkansas=20 > > 501-847-4721=20 > > C150 / RV-4=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -------------- Original message --------------=20 > >=20 > > > That's what I thought. Guess Light Sport in AU doesn't look so = much=20 > > > like it does here (we have limits like 120 kts top speed, = 1250#=20 > > GW, low=20 > > > stall speed, etc.=20 > > > Jim S.=20 > > >=20 > > > Carl Murakami wrote:=20 > > >=20 > > > > http://www.visionaircraft.com/=20 > > > > Carl Murakami=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Jim Sower wrote:=20 > > > >=20 > > > >> Does Vision have a web site??=20 > > > >>=20 > > > >>=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=20 > > > >>> Archive: = http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=20 > > > >>=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=20 > > > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html = > >=20 >=20 > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=20 > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C57569.D9D618F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ken,
That's interesting, I always thought = 1320 lbs was=20 600 kilo ( i.e. 1320/ 2.2).
Anyhow there are some differences = between the=20 Aussie rules -the stall speed has to be in landing configuration at = 45knots and=20 no speed limit - it will be administer by RAA.
Nothing has been officially released = yet and that's=20 all I've been able to glean from the powers that be, but I suspect that = the=20 other rules will be very similar, as we are trying to be in line=20 globally.
George ( down under) 
Jim Sower asked:   'OK. What's the stall/landing speed=20 limitation? ... Jim S.'
(From the EAA Website)
To be defined as a light-sport = aircraft, the=20 aircraft must meet the following parameters:
=81=9C
Maximum = gross takeoff=20 weight-1,320 lbs (599 kg.), 1,430 lbs. for water=20 operation.
=81=9C Lighter-than-air light-sport aircraft maximum = gross=20 weight-660 lbs (300 kg.)
=81=9C Maximum stall speed-51 mph = (45=20 knots)
=81=9C Maximum speed in level flight with maximum continuous = power=20 (Vh)-138 mph (120 knots)
=81=9C Two-place maximum (pilot = and one=20 passenger)
=81=9C Single, non-turbine engine only, including = rotary and=20 diesel engines
=81=9C Fixed or ground adjustable = propeller
=81=9C Unpressurized=20 cabin
=81=9C Fixed landing gear
=81=9C Repositionable landing = gear for seaplanes=20 allowing the wheels to be rotated for amphibious operation.
=81=9C = Can be=20 manufactured and sold ready-to-fly under a new Special Light-Sport = (S-LSA)=20 aircraft certification without FAR Part 23 compliance. Aircraft must = meet ASTM=20 (American Society of Testing and Materials, Int'l) consensus = standards.=20 Aircraft under this certification may be used for sport and = recreation, flight=20 training, and aircraft rental.
=81=9C Can be licensed Experimental = Light-Sport=20 Aircraft (E-LSA) if kit- or plans-built. Aircraft under this = certification may=20 be used only for sport and recreation and flight instruction for the = owner of=20 the aircraft.
=81=9C Can be licensed Experimental Light-Sport = Aircraft (E-LSA)=20 if it was kit- or plans-built and operated as an ultralight trainers.=20 Application must be submitted within 36 months after the effective = date of the=20 rule.
=81=9C Will have FAA registration-N-number.
=81=9C = Aircraft category and=20 class includes: Airplane (Land/Sea), Gyroplane, Airship, Balloon,=20 Weight-Shift-Control (Trike Land/Sea), and Powered Parachute = (land/sea).
=81=9C=20 U.S. or foreign manufacture of light-sport aircraft is = authorized.
=81=9C May=20 be operated at night by a private pilot if the aircraft is equipped = per FAR=20 91.209 and the pilot holds a minimum of a third-class=20 medical).

Ken Powell
B ryant, Arkansas=20
501-847-4721
C150 / RV-4
 
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> OK. What's the = stall/landing=20 speed limitation? ... Jim S.
>
> kenpowell@comcast.net = wrote:=20
>
> > LSA gross weight is 1320 lbs. 1250 was the = original=20 proposal.
> >
> > Ken Powell
> > = Bryant,=20 Arkansas
> > 501-847-4721
> > C150 / RV-4 =
> >=20
> >
> > -------------- Original message = --------------=20
> >
> > > That's what I thought. Guess Light = Sport in=20 AU doesn't look so much
> > > like it does here (we = have limits=20 like 120 kts top speed, 1250#
> > GW, low
> > = > stall=20 speed, etc.
> > > Jim S.
> > >
> = > >=20 Carl Murakami wrote:
> > >
> > > >=20 http://www.visionaircraft.com/
> > > > Carl Murakami =
> > > >
> > > > Jim Sower wrote: =
>=20 > > >
> > > >> Does Vision have a web = site??=20
> > > >>
> > > >>
> = > >=20 >
> > > >
> > > >>> = Homepage:=20 http://www.flyrotary.com/
> > > >>> Archive:=20 http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html
> > = >=20 >>
> > > >
> > > >
> = > >=20
> > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ =
>=20 > > >> Archive:=20 http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html
> > =
>=20
> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> = >>=20 Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=20
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