X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTP id 1002491 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 00:19:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.133.182.166; envelope-from=canarder@frontiernet.net Received: from filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.71]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39990358408 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.71]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19772-12-85 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-137-78-176.dsl2.cok.tn.frontiernet.net [67.137.78.176]) by relay03.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4345358371 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 04:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <42AFAC16.6000808@frontiernet.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:18:30 -0500 From: Jim Sower User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: fuel pump mounting References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0524-1, 06/14/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net WHOSE best practices? Everyone flying has what seems to work for him. Which ones are you going to pick and which are you going to exclude (and why)? And folks will pick this attribute from this best practice and combine it with that attribute from that best practice ... and end up with ... ? Is this actually going to work? ... Jim S. George Lendich wrote: > The group keeps getting the same questions from people - which I know > is normal and it's good to re-establish the points mentioned. > However a list of best practices AND THE REASONS FOR THEM could make > the process of learning and responding much simpler. > MO - FWIW > George ( down under) > > Can the inlet be fed from a tube > > that goes into a tank close to the bottom 1.5" but is bent down in > a 90 > > degree bend? The sump is lower than the tanks and the pumps would > be at the > > level of the bottom of the sump. My concern is how much of a > "hump" in the > > plumbing will the pump tolerate? Thanks for any help. > > Joe Berki > > Joe; > > A “hump” in the plumbing is not necessarily and issue, but your > situation as I understand it is questionable. The head at the pump > inlet (neglecting line losses) is the difference between the level > of the surface of the fuel and the pump inlet. Any “hump” should > not go higher than the surface of the fuel when the fuel is at its > lowest point. > > If I understand your case correctly, you would have to rely on > “siphoning” to get gravity feed from your tank below the level of > where the tube exits the tank; or if you are pumping out of the > tank, the pump could “normally” draw that last 1.5” of fuel out, > but in either case I’d say this is not a desirable condition, as > it will take a negative pressure, however slight, to get it out. > With 100LL it would probably not be a problem as it is formulated > with a higher vapor pressure than mogas. > > The other issue with a high spot in the plumbing is the potential > for trapped air. When you fill from an empty condition there will > be air trapped at the high point. That’s not necessarily an issue; > if it has some place to go, like the sump tank with a vent, and > enough head to push it through. If you partially filled your tank > with air trapped in the line you may get no flow. > > The supply line from the tank needs to go steadily down hill, > either to a pump or gravity feed to a sump tank. Any air in the > line should be able to migrate back to the tank. > > FWIW - I don’t know the details of your system, so can only speak > in generalities. > > Al >