Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #23864
From: Bob Perkinson <bobperk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Where's Ed
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:31:03 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
This is posted with Ed's permission received today at 10:38
 
Got the engine apart yesterday and here is what I found.
 
The front rotor had two small areas on the front side housing and center side housing across the rotor from each other near the exhaust area.  These areas showed signs of localized heating about the size of a 50 cent coin (presumably from friction), it appears the metal got hot enough to cause the teflon O ring to be compromised on both housings resulting in the coolant/combustion chamber leak.  
 
The question of course is what caused the localized heating, the spots are near the tips of the rotor - but, the rotor shows no sign of rubbing or localized heating.  Here are several hypothesis that have germinated in my fevered brain, 1. the rotor housing is somehow narrower in that region resulting in friction at that point (have not yet measure the housing to confirm or deny this theory), 2. the corner seals did not move in their holes properly - in effect were stuck and their ends generated the friction - I would have expected to see wear marks around the path of the corner seals but do not - of course it could be that everything stacked up so that they only rubbed at the one point. Also the rubber plugs were still in the corner seals which I would think would have been vaporized if it were the corner seals heating that hot.  3. I also considered that the rotor may not have had the bearing pressed in properly causing it to wobbly slighty - however, that should have produced fricton spots at opposite ends of the housings.   Besides, the bearings show no signs of wear (only 10 hours on them) much less abnormal wear if something were misaligned.
4.  Another theory is that the tension bolts were torqued too much on that side - but, they were all torque to the same ft lbs of torque called for by Mazda - but, clearly something caused it.
 
The side housings were new back at my 2001 rebuild of the engine and show only mimimal wear - well within specs so warped side housings are not the cluprit. 
 
 The rotor housings are brand new and I guess its possible the rotor housing could be narrower in that region causing the friction, but that is highly unlikely.  Or simply a combination of things..
 
In any case, what ever caused the friction is probably what caused the higher than normal turning friction which cleared up after a couple of hours of running - however, I suspect by that time the damage to the "O" rings had been done. 
 
So the bottom line, is I really do not know what caused the problem - which is a bit bothersome.  If It were my "screw up" that would be refreshing to find out, but just don't understand what caused it - stuck corner seals is probably the best theory I have at this time and its rather weak.
 
Replaced the fatiqued aluminum brakeline with stainless steel braided brake hose from Vans and repaired the caliper (removed the "O" ring and aluminum fittings and replace them), put a new tire on the rim and we now have brakes again and NO alumimum brake lines.  Wheel pant is toast so will be flying slightly slower without it (the least of my concerns {:>))
 
So hope to start putting the engine back together by Thursday and tentative plan to fly home on Sat or Sunday if all goes well with the test runs.
 
So Bob, that's about it at the moment.  Appreicate all the offers of help from folks on the list, but really not much to do other than put it back together.  I check around the local towns for any Rotary engine shops but did not find any listed - so pretty much on my own here.  But, have all the tools either borrowed from my relatives or purchased that I need. 
 
My e mail box has probably been overflowing and Marv should just remove my subscription until I get back.   Can not access it from here because the @#$&% Time Warner screwed up their pass word system just before I left and their webmail site won't accept my password.
 
So that's it in a nut shell, Bob.  Feel free to post this to the list and if anyone has a theory, I am all ears.  My nephew has taken photos of the opened up engine and I will post the photos when I get home.
 
Best Regards
 
Ed
 

Bob Perkinson <bobperk@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ed,
The list is curious for information about your progress, so am I. If you
just posted a short message It would start the speculation mill rolling
again. If there is anything that you think that I could help you with let
me know and I will do so to the best of my ability.

Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9A N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes



 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:10 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Where's Ed

Keep in mind this is second hand information and I have not seen the below described things with my own eyeballs.
 
Ed is still in repair mode.  One of the apex seal corner pieces disappeared during disassembly and I just sent him a replacement apex seal. 
 
A Coolant O-ring is heat damaged in one spot which corresponds to a heat damaged spot near the o-ring groove on BOTH side housings of the affected rotor.  The metal is blued in  'thumbprint' sized spots indicating very high temperatures. 
 
This is an entirely new symptom that has never been seen before (at least by me).  The only logical explanation would be a defective rotor housing (too narrow in one place) causing the side housings to be brought into contact with the sides of the rotor when it heated up.   Remember that Ed's engine was very 'tight' after his last overhaul which was NOT normal for a 2nd gen engine and should be cause for concern. 
 
While this is the 'logical' conclusion, I think it is very unlikely.  The cause will probably be something unexpected and maybe not ever explained.  Ed seems to get all of these : )
 
Tracy
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Where's Ed

Can anyone give a status report on Ed Anderson’s coolant leak?  Is he still in LA?  Has he determined the source of the leak? 

 

Mark S.

(curiosity killed the cat)

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