X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.158] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTPS id 1002242 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:32:15 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.133.158; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-249-4.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.249.4]) by mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j5EMVQVg011761 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:31:27 +1000 Message-ID: <004601c57131$8bc4bdb0$04f9ecdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Not Starting Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:36:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mark, You must be psychic, you reading my mind on the vapour and air bubbles. I was thinking of making a fuel rail in an inverted ( but flatter) V shape and having the by-pass at the apex. But in a bump in the line prior to the rail is just as good and perhaps easier to install. George ( down under) > I'm putting a bypass like that in the highest point of my fuel line > (between pump and rail) as I think it will also prevent, or at the very > least, alleviate, a vapor lock situation. A .030 or .040 jet will pass a > LOT of air/vapor but not enough fuel to impact anything. > Or that's my bet anyway ... Jim S. > > Mark R Steitle wrote: > > > George, > > > > That may have been me following Paul Conner’s first engine-out > > landing. I picked up the idea from the Eggenfellner Subaru group. They > > had had a couple of instances where pilots ran one tank dry and then > > couldn’t get the EFI pump to re-prime, and ended up in off-field > > landings. It is now a mandatory change for anyone running the > > Eggenfellner package. I used a small carburetor jet from my stash of > > 2-cycle motorcycle jets. It was about .020-025” and installed so as to > > bypass the pressure regulator, bleeding air back through the fuel > > return line. I have tested my setup and it allows enough pressure > > relief to permit the pump to re-prime if I run a tank dry. Before > > installing the bypass bleeder circuit, it would not re-prime unless I > > cracked open a line downstream of the pump. > > > > Mark S. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > > *On Behalf Of *Kelly Troyer > > *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2005 8:23 PM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Not Starting > > > > Georges & George, > > > > I used a .020 thousands (.508 mm) ! > > > > -- > > Kelly Troyer > > Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2 > > > > > > -------------- Original message from "George Lendich" > > : -------------- > > > > > > Georges, > > > > Very small is my guess, someone on here gave that suggestion > > some time ago and I can't remember the size they suggested. > > It's just to relieve the pressure after shut down. The loss > > during running is so small as not to matter. > > > > I thought it was a great idea ! > > > > George ( down under) > > > > What maximum size orifice would you use in the bypass hose? > > > > Georges B. > > > > /-------Original Message-------/ > > > > */From:/* Rotary motors in aircraft > > > > > > */Date:/* 06/13/05 15:50:42 > > > > */To:/* Rotary motors in aircraft > > > > > > */Subject:/* [FlyRotary] Re: Engine Not Starting > > > >> 3. Always stop the engine by turning off the fuel pump, so that > > > >> there is no fuel pressure in the line. Otherwise, unburned > > fuel may > > > >> leak from the still pressurized injectors into the rotors and > > increase > > > >> the chances of hard starting or flooding the next time you > > try to start > > > >> the engine. > > > > Bob, > > > > The suggested low volume by-pass hose ( by passing the fuel > > pressure > > > > regulator) will also solve that problem. > > > > George ( down under) > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >