X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from m12.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.75] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with SMTP id 989834 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:36:54 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.136.30.75; envelope-from=alwick@juno.com Received: from m12.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m12.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLSTPTAQLFEJA for (sender ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: L941HVjjYzDhN3itp//mkMXj6zl8ei6PG9iv21v4S7d+8bKwZGMNAQ== Received: (from alwick@juno.com) by m12.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KU3BZ5N9; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:34:49 PDT To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 06:34:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: coolant leak Message-ID: <20050609.063412.3016.3.alwick@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_4676.34b5.3996 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-12,14,16,18-19,22-23,29-45,50-52,56-32767 From: al p wick X-ContentStamp: 31:15:3096040318 X-MAIL-INFO:074d4d2909a510844464ad2990ad91890180b9ad041911850904b980047004f5054914c14dd9296029a109d59124e9d584a5e44971743d2095e191f1b5a050f14921e4a961943dd50070513575f92d0dfd6db43571d0d454 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m12.lax.untd.com|alwick@juno.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_4676.34b5.3996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was said: Let's explore this. Let's convert this theory to facts. Just use your favorite drink container. No, not a beer can. 1) You can use any container that has a small neck. Fill container with water, place a balloon over the bottle neck. 2) Put a pan of water on the stove, turn to high heat, place your drink container inside. 3) As it heats up, you will see the balloon expand. When it cools down, you should see balloon suck into bottle. Heated coolant has excited molecules that get further apart from each other. As it cools, these molecules get closer together. It's a tremendous force. I did all sorts of little experiments like that with my plane. Like I covered one exhaust pipe with rubber and watched how it behaved. I installed an atmospheric pressure sensor inside exhaust and watched the pressure pulses. There are a lot of physics principals that we don't have a good grip on because they are difficult to measure. I work in science museum where we expose people to these every day. It's a blast. -al wick Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5 N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info: http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:31:57 -0400 WALTER B KERR writes: On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:05:25 -0700 al p wick writes: After you shut off your engine, the 7 psi gradually drops over the next few minutes. It only takes around 12 minutes for the system to develop a vacuum relative to atmosphere. At that point the little valve in the radiator cap opens and allows fluid or air to flow into system. (Check out your rad cap, can you find both valves?) --------------------------------------------- Al, if your cap is a 24 psi cap which you said you could run with full bottle. Why does it develop a vacum on cool down. I have never noticed this on my system, but on the other hand probably never looked at it 12 minutes after shutdown ----__JNP_000_4676.34b5.3996 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was said: <Why does it develop a vacuum on cool down?>
 
 
Let's explore this. Let's convert this theory to facts.
Just use your favorite drink container. No, not a beer can.
 
1) You can use any container that has a small neck. Fill container = with=20 water, place a balloon over the bottle neck.
2) Put a pan of water on the stove, turn to high heat, place your = drink=20 container inside.
3) As it heats up, you will see the balloon expand. When it cools down= , you=20 should see balloon suck into bottle.
 
Heated coolant has excited molecules that get further apart from each= =20 other. As it cools, these molecules get closer together. It's a tremendous= =20 force.
 
I did all sorts of little experiments like that with my plane. Like I= =20 covered one exhaust pipe with rubber and watched how it behaved. I = installed an=20 atmospheric pressure sensor inside exhaust and watched the pressure pulses.= =20 There are a lot of physics principals that we don't have a good grip = on=20 because they are difficult to measure. I work in science museum where we = expose=20 people to these every day. It's a blast.
 

-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by= =20 stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland,=20 Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel = design=20 info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
 
 
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:31:57 -0400 WALTER B KERR <jbker@juno.com> writes:
 
 
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:05:25 -0700 al p wick <alwick@juno.com> writes:
 
 
After you shut off your engine, the 7 psi gradually drops = over the=20 next few minutes. It only takes around 12 minutes for the system to = develop=20 a vacuum relative to atmosphere. At that point the little valve in the= =20 radiator cap opens and allows fluid or air to flow into system. (Check = out=20 your rad cap, can you find both valves?)
 
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Al, if your cap is a 24 psi cap which you said you could run with = full=20 bottle. Why does it develop a vacum on cool down. I have never noticed = this=20 on my system, but on the other hand probably never looked at it 12 = minutes=20 after shutdown
 
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