X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.240] (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTP id 986372 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:02:00 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.240; envelope-from=echolakeresort@telus.net Received: from boucher-oddle24 ([207.194.26.30]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050606190112.WCUA25387.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@boucher-oddle24> for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:01:12 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.6.4]); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:01:10 -0700 Message-Id: <42A49C49.00000F.02760@BOUCHER-ODDLE24> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:56:09 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (3001609) From: "Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)" References: To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Un-touched engine (was: EC2 problems - solved / rotary risks) X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-42A49D767334=======" --=======AVGMAIL-42A49D767334======= Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_L9FOSPT1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_L9FOSPT1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have dismantled 2 factory reman (that's what the tag said) with low mileage & none of the components were anywhere near factory specs. (apex seal slots, ect..) So if you don't feel competent to overall a 13b get someone who is, don't fly with an unknown, you can't park at 3000ft.=0D Georges B. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Date: 06/06/05 11:42:09=0D To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Un-touched engine (was: EC2 problems - solved / rotary risks)=0D =0D On Jun 6, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Ian Dewhirst wrote:=0D =0D > Hi Bill,=0D >=0D > I am a proponent of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." if you have some= =0D > history with the mechanical device in question. On the other hand,=0D > when=0D > that history is unknown, not knowing can bite you.=0D >=0D > I bought a "Brand New" 13B - trouble was it had a bit of water in the=0D > coolant jacket, which corroded the iron castings. Everything in oil=0D > looked=0D > brand new. The coolant passages were another story, after bead=0D > blasting the=0D > coolant passages until they were clean I did a bit of destructive=0D > testing on=0D > the castings with a dremel, just a bit because they looked fine... a=0D > minute=0D > later I was pretty dissapointed, went through like butter in some=0D > places=0D > ( like near the coolant o rings), just turned into black dust. $1500=0D > later=0D > I think I have an engine that is as good as it is going to get.=0D >=0D > Don't be put off working on a rotary, these engines are easy to work=0D > on, buy=0D > a couple of good torque wrenches, a box of sandwich bags, a sharpie,=0D > take=0D > pictures as you go and take your time - try it out on a junker 13B the=0D > first=0D > time to build confidence.=0D >=0D > Even factory rebuilds have the occasional issue - I apprenticed at a=0D > Porsche=0D > / Audi dealership. I witnessed a $25,000 (1980 dollars) 3 litre 911=0D > long=0D > block throw a rod in the first couple of minutes after start up,=0D > missing=0D > connecting rod nut on one side of the cap - sh!t happens.=0D >=0D > FWIW=0D >=0D > Ian=0D >=0D =0D I agree. Of the four engines I have put in RX-7's, the one that leaks=0D the most oil, is the factory reman I put in without taking apart.=0D =0D Hans=0D =0D =0D >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0D >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0D =0D =0D --=0D No virus found in this incoming message.=0D Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.=0D Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.4 - Release Date: 6/6/2005=0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_L9FOSPT1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have dismantled 2 factory reman (that's what the tag said) wi= th low mileage & none of the components were anywhere near factory sp= ecs. (apex seal slots, ect..) So if you don't feel competent to overall a= 13b get someone who is, don't fly with an unknown, you can't park at 300= 0ft.
Georges B. 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 06/06/05 11:= 42:09
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Un-touched engine (was: EC2 problems - solved / rotary risks)
 
On Jun 6, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Ian Dewhirst wrote:
 
> Hi Bill,
>
> I am a proponent of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." if you h= ave some
> history with the mechanical device in question.  On t= he other hand,
> when
> that history is unknown, not knowing can bite you.
>
> I bought a "Brand New" 13B - trouble was it had a bit of water = in the
> coolant jacket, which corroded the iron castings.  Ev= erything in oil
> looked
> brand new.  The coolant passages were another story, = after bead
> blasting the
> coolant passages until they were clean I did a bit of destructi= ve
> testing on
> the castings with a dremel, just a bit because they looked fine= =2E..  a
> minute
> later I was pretty dissapointed,  went through like b= utter in some
> places
> ( like near the coolant o rings), just turned into black dust.&= nbsp; $1500
> later
> I think I have an engine that is as good as it is going to get.=
>
> Don't be put off working on a rotary, these engines are easy to= work
> on, buy
> a couple of good torque wrenches, a box of sandwich bags, a sha= rpie,
> take
> pictures as you go and take your time - try it out on a junker = 13B the
> first
> time to build confidence.
>
> Even factory rebuilds have the occasional issue - I apprenticed= at a
> Porsche
> / Audi dealership.  I witnessed a $25,000 (1980 dolla= rs) 3 litre 911
> long
> block throw a rod in the first couple of minutes after start up= ,
> missing
> connecting rod nut on one side of the cap - sh!t happens.
>
> FWIW
>
> Ian
>
 
I agree.  Of the four engines I have put in RX-7's, the on= e that leaks
the most oil, is the factory reman I put in without taking apart.
 
Hans
 
 
>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
 
 
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