X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTP id 964633 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:21:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from [192.168.0.10] (cpe-065-187-243-074.nc.res.rr.com [65.187.243.74]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4QML8Y4019971 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42964BD4.1080105@nc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:21:08 -0400 From: Ernest Christley User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Galvanic action (was: radiators as jugs 4) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine David Carter wrote: >Remaining questions: >1) Is the "ground wire" from radiator to negative terminal of battery good >enough to totally eliminate this "galvanic cell" action? > > > You have just made the galvanic cell more pronounced. It will not eat your radiator even faster. >2) Forgetting about the type of coolant, and focusing just on the rubber >donut bottom mounts/isolators from frame, why would that isolation or lack >thereof alter the "galvanic action" "equation"? > > > Goes back to number 1. The problem is 'dissimillar metals'. All the metal in your engine is getting hit with oxygen all the time. When the metal reacts with the oxygen, we call it corrosion. It turns out that corrosion is an exothermic process, meaning it gives off energy. Which REALLY means that it is going to happen whether you want it to or not. The only way to stop it is to hermetically seal it in an oxygenless container. Now, as it turns out, some metals will give off more energy when they react with the oxygen than others will. In fact, if you provide a path for the energy to flow, some metals want to react with the oxygen so bad that they'll suck the energy out of a neighbor. The way this energy flows in the form of an electrical current. Whether this energy will flow is wholly dependant on the types of metal and their alloying structure. The good news is that the metal piece that had it's energy taken away will not be able to react with the oxygen and will last forever. That bad news is that you'll be replacing radiators every 6mos. Many newer cars use a different type of antifreeze, and the cars carry strong warnings against using the old style antifreeze. The reason is the fluids ability to sustain an electrical current. >3) And, I should mention that the Haynes manual shows a bolt in the >aluminum head for a grounding strap or cable from head to somewhere - >neither Escort had this bolt/cable, just the empty hole in the head. Could >that "have been" or "still be" a problem for my radiator life? > >David Carter > > You didn't have a strap, 'cause the metallurgist who designed the system determined that the strap would cause your radiator to get eaten up. Don't dare add one. And take off the one you added. Or leave it on and take careful note of where the corrosion is the most pronounced when you replace it 8*). PS. You also might want to consider switching to the coolant suggested by the manufacturer. Sounds like the John Deere stuff was designed with your car in mind. -- This is by far the hardest lesson about freedom. It goes against instinct, and morality, to just sit back and watch people make mistakes. We want to help them, which means control them and their decisions, but in doing so we actually hurt them (and ourselves)."