X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from server3.alwayswebhosting.com ([66.98.204.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTPS id 964172 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:27:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.98.204.64; envelope-from=bob@bob-white.com Received: from bgp01386375bgs.brodwy01.nm.comcast.net ([68.35.160.229]:33015 helo=quail) by server3.alwayswebhosting.com with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DbN4I-0005Ka-72 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:26:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:26:59 -0600 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] D-sub connectors - Prewired cables Message-Id: <20050526122659.6738607b.bob@bob-white.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.9.11 (GTK+ 2.4.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.alwayswebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bob-white.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: On Thu, 26 May 2005 09:20:32 -0700 "Al Gietzen" wrote: > > > One thing to consider is that with a canard pusher you can't get a prewired > > harness installed easily because the plugs won't go down the electrical > > conduit. A harness could be installed during the fuselage construction, but > > once the fuselage is built you either have to run the harness another way, > > add a connector, or snip and resolder all the wires. > > > > One easy solution is to use the gold plated, machined crimp-on d-sub pins. > Put all the pins on, but pull the wire bundle to where it goes before > snapping the pins into the connector. > > > > After doing all my avionics and EFIS plugs with the gold plated crimp-on > D-subs, I got to love them. Quick easy, and with the special D-sub crimp > tool; very secure connections. Snap them into the connector after making and > checking the crimp. > > > > I'm recommending that Tracy go that route. Yeah, it takes a good tool ($44 > t Aeroelectric > http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?9X358218#RCT-3) I > believe in soldered connections for all critical leads that carry much > current, but the risks involved in soldering those little solder-socket > d-subs that are already in the connector - I don't think so. > > > > It is especially important on the EM2 P-1 connector because the TC wire > does not solder well. Tinned copper works OK, but the TC wires do not form > a eutectic at the joint, and you only get a 'mechanical' connection anyway. > I found I had to use additional acid to get the solder to wet out on these > wires - risk of corrosion in the future. If I were doing that one over, I'd > toss that connector and get a new one with the plated crimp-on pins. > > > > Any seconds to that motion (Tracy needs a little more pressure; don't ya > think :) > > > > Al Hi Al, I looked at the crimp connectors when I started thinking about how to do this. The only problem with them is expense. The pins are about 26 cents each. Total cost for each connector is 3 or 4 times what a gold plated solder cup connector goes for. I have the tool and can make them if needed. Not too bad for each, but when looking to buy 20 or 30 connectors at a time, it's noticable. If you want to connect the thermocouple wire to a solder cup, I think it would be better to make a mechanical transition first so that you have a copper wire to solder. What you're really doing in either case is making a second reference thermocouple joint at the point of transition. It won't be a very good thermocouple either. Fortunately the measured temperatures are high enough that the poor reference doesn't make a lot of difference. Bob W. -- http://www.bob-white.com N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (real soon)