X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTP id 963569 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:16:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.131.117; envelope-from=micallahan@worldnet.att.net Received: from unknown (142.birmingham-01-03rs.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.162.142]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2005052600165411300pbacae>; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:16:55 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c56187$f3621da0$8ea24a0c@unknown> From: "Michael D. Callahan" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: double landing Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:14:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C5615E.0838FDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C5615E.0838FDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Similar thing here a couple of years ago and it was an absolute = miracle nobody was even injured. WAR 1/2 scale Corsair in the pattern = making long sweeping turns to final meets Arrow on a straight in = approach. Again, miraculously, nobody was hurt and both planes made it = to the runway safely. Now, who is at fault? The Corsair is in the pattern but has no radio = (he is carrying a handheld on board, but the batteries are dead). The = plane is painted in the WWII Marine gray camo (light gray with white = undersides) so he is practically invisible, and moving fast. He is not = squaring off the turns to base or final, one long sweeping turn (to aid = with poor visibility over the nose) downwind to the numbers. This is = not a violtaion of any FAR, as the pattern is a suggestion, not a = regulation. He can't see the Arrow on a straight-in long final (under = his right wing, classic example of why to square off turns to base and = final). The Arrow doesn't make any radio calls and obviously figures nobody = else is out there. Although the pattern is the suggested approach = procedure, there is no actual FAA reg that you must fly the pattern when = approaching to land. The Arrow hit the vertical stab/rudder of the Corsair with his left = main gear and the Corsair's prop cut the tire as it passed. Neither = plane was even seriously damaged. One foot or one split second could = have resulted in total disaster for both pilots.=20 In the end, I believe the Corsair pilot was found liable. I think it = was the dead handheld that got him. Had he left it on the ground or been = listening, they might have hung the Arrow pilot instead. As it was he = knew he was flying with a dead radio (negligence). Heads-up in the = pattern and anywhere near an aiport. Mike C. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: double landing Can you spell "Close Call". Turboprop duster squats on small Cessna = 150 and prop chews top of cowl off - a few feet to back and a less happy = ending. Both pilots walked away. Ed A -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C5615E.0838FDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Similar thing here a couple of = years ago=20 and it was an absolute miracle nobody was even injured. WAR 1/2 scale = Corsair in=20 the pattern making long sweeping turns to final meets Arrow on a = straight in=20 approach. Again, miraculously, nobody was hurt and both planes made it = to the=20 runway safely.
    Now, who is at fault? The Corsair = is in the=20 pattern but has no radio (he is carrying a handheld on board, but the = batteries=20 are dead). The plane is painted in the WWII Marine gray camo (light = gray=20 with white undersides) so he is practically invisible, and moving fast. = He is=20 not squaring off the turns to base or final, one long sweeping = turn (to aid=20 with poor visibility over the nose) downwind to the = numbers.  This is=20 not a violtaion of any FAR, as the pattern is a suggestion, not a = regulation. He=20 can't see the Arrow on a straight-in long final (under his right = wing,=20 classic example of why to square off turns to base and = final).
    The Arrow doesn't make any = radio calls=20 and obviously figures nobody else is out there. Although the pattern is = the=20 suggested approach procedure, there is no actual FAA reg that you must = fly the=20 pattern when approaching to land.
    The Arrow hit = the vertical=20 stab/rudder of the Corsair with his left main gear and the = Corsair's prop=20 cut the tire as it passed. Neither plane was even seriously damaged. One = foot or=20 one split second could have resulted in total disaster for both pilots.=20
    In the end, I believe the Corsair = pilot was=20 found liable. I think it was the dead handheld that got him. Had he = left it=20 on the ground or been listening, they might have hung the Arrow = pilot=20 instead.  As it was he knew he was flying with a dead radio = (negligence).=20 Heads-up in the pattern and anywhere near an aiport. Mike = C.
   
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From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 = 5:17=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: double = landing

 Can you spell "Close Call".  = Turboprop duster=20 squats on small Cessna 150 and prop chews top of cowl off - a few feet = to back=20 and a less happy ending.  Both pilots walked away.
 
Ed A

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