X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com ([64.136.22.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with SMTP id 963003 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:05:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.136.22.78; envelope-from=jbker@juno.com Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBKKJR4A7WAZNS for (sender ); Wed, 25 May 2005 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: Y+Mfppm2QyGfnY/dq+iW1Xhr9tnkudNVPjPwZGtu/4caYE07F3UGzA== Received: (from jbker@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KTUYK5VJ; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:03:47 PDT To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:00:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 problems ( Warranty work) Message-ID: <20050525.120315.1020.1.JBKER@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_3845.1a4b.5df0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,11-16,19-20,23-36,41-47,52-53,56-59,61-64,66-72,74-79,81-82,84-88,89-32767 From: WALTER B KERR X-ContentStamp: 27:13:3127854675 X-MAIL-INFO:11eaf3d72b4e4bfb1ada6a4b832ede8f83ba X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|jbker@juno.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_3845.1a4b.5df0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tracy, Well thank goodness it was not something that was burning the avionics! I had stuck the fuse to EC2 in another hole and forgot to replace it! Senior moment or whatever :>) See you guys Friday, driving the RV with wheels Bernie On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:04:12 -0400 "Tracy Crook" writes: Hi Bernie, I've missed a bunch of messages due to time constraints so I missed seeing what the starting problem you were having was. What fixed it? Yep, RWS has to start paying its way. Laura has been subsidizing it for a long time but she recently quit the computer consulting biz (which she was very good at) to work here full time. Tracy (sending John home with his box of repaired stuff) John Slade wrote: Good and bad news snipped This might save you a LOT of warranty work. Regards, John I just want to point out that "warranty work" usually covers only defects in workmanship of the manufacturer. Not the mistakes of a novice or non-pro installer. Not to disrespect you, John, but I would be VERY gracious that Tracy has done so much "free" work supporting your install. I can only hope and pray I am not quite the beta tester you are :). Good luck.. lets get it flying again! Dave ---------------------------------- Dave, I agree with your statements and do not believe that Tracy can continue to provide support in his current fashion. He has been unbelievably gracious to me. It was not a wiring mistake that burned my chips in the EC2 but I believe a faulty DPDT switch, but Tracy changed them out without a wimper to me (OK maybe to Laura). Once again, think he could save himself and maybe customers later on the grief of fixing burned parts if there was better ( read for illiterate electronics dummies) documentation and warnings regarding faulty wiring. I really appreciate what Bill D wrote: When you are dealing with an expensive piece of electronics, don't be in a hurry to turn on the power. 1) Never work without a wiring diagram. Make your own if needed. 2) Carefully label each end of every wire as you lay it in place in the loom. 3) Double check the labels. 4) As you connect the device. Double check each connection against the wiring diagram. 5) Before you connect a wire, check it with the multi-meter, if possible. 6) Check off each wire on the diagram as you connect it. 7) Come back a few minutes later and check everything one more time. 8) Check anything you can with a multi-meter before you turn on the power. 9) If it is a very expensive device, have a buddy double check your work before you turn on the power. Think about how long you worked to earn the money to pay for the device. Take an extra hour or so to make sure that you have the wires connected correctly so you won't have to pay for the device a second time. Off my soapbox and out to fly the 9A around the patch in 90 degree temps, Bernie ----__JNP_000_3845.1a4b.5df0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tracy,
 
Well thank goodness it was not something that was burning the avionics= ! I=20 had stuck the fuse to EC2  in another hole and forgot to replace it! = Senior=20 moment or whatever :>)
 
See you guys Friday, driving the RV with wheels
Bernie
 
On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:04:12 -0400 "Tracy Crook" <lors01@msn.com> writes:
Hi Bernie,  I've missed a bunch of messages due to time = constraints=20 so I missed seeing what the starting problem you were having was.  = What=20 fixed it?
 
Yep, RWS has to start paying its way.  Laura has been = subsidizing it=20 for a long time but she recently quit the computer consulting biz (which = she=20 was very good at) to work here full time. 
 
Tracy  (sending John home with his box of repaired stuff)
 
 
John Slade wrote:
Good and bad news snipped
This might save you a LOT of warranty=20 work.
 
Regards,
John

I just want = to point=20 out that "warranty work" usually covers only defects in workmanship = of the=20 manufacturer. Not the mistakes of a novice or non-pro installer. Not = to=20 disrespect you, John, but I would be VERY gracious that Tracy has = done so=20 much "free" work supporting your install. I can only hope and pray I = am=20 not quite the beta tester you are :).
 
Good luck.. lets = get it=20 flying again!
Dave

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Dave,
I agree with your statements and do not believe that Tracy can=20 continue to provide support in his current fashion. He has been=20 unbelievably gracious to me. It was not a wiring mistake that burned = my=20 chips in the EC2 but I believe a faulty DPDT switch, but Tracy = changed=20 them out without a wimper to me (OK maybe to Laura).
 
Once again, think he could save himself and maybe customers = later on=20 the grief of fixing burned parts if there was better ( read for = illiterate=20 electronics dummies) documentation and warnings regarding faulty=20 wiring.
 
I really appreciate what Bill D wrote:
 
         When you are = dealing=20 with an expensive piece of electronics, don't
be in a hurry to = turn on=20 the power.
 
1) Never work without a wiring diagram. Make = your=20 own if needed.
2) Carefully label each end of every wire as you = lay it=20 in place in the loom.
3) Double check the labels.
4) As you = connect=20 the device. Double check each connection against the
wiring=20 diagram.
5) Before you connect a wire, check it with the multi-= meter,=20 if possible.
6) Check off each wire on the diagram as you connect= =20 it.
7) Come back a few minutes later and check everything one more= =20 time.
8) Check anything you can with a multi-meter before you turn= on=20 the power.
9) If it is a very expensive device, have a buddy = double=20 check your work
before you turn on the=20 power.
 
 
 
     = ;   =20 Think about how long you worked to earn the money to pay for the=20
device. Take an extra hour or so to make sure that you have the = wires=20
connected correctly so you won't have to pay for the device a = second=20 time.
 
     
Off my soapbox and out to fly the 9A around the patch in 90= =20 degree temps,
Bernie
 
 
 
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