X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTP id 961808 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:59:41 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.67; envelope-from=Dastaten@earthlink.net Received: from [24.238.206.157] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Daarx-0007HZ-Q7 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:58:57 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e3hMPek0E99HcHmZgTehsx2KyLhAxL+LLCASkpqlSb/mizqiDZcZ+z0vX2Qk8HZ7; Message-ID: <42934034.2020206@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:54:44 -0500 From: David Staten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Group status. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 9a30bff84e6cb88f95c85d38d22416599ef193a6bfc3dd4837f8c728c7be3cfe21736fb987de59523d063210bc784f5e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.238.206.157 Bill Dube wrote: > > Instead of duplicating much of what the EAA has already done, > I think it would be wise to write up proceedures, checklists etc. that > speak only of the differences one needs to address for a rotary > engine. You can make these an appendix or addendum to the existing EAA > procedures, checklists, etc. Excellent point. I apologize if at any point I advocated "re-inventing" the wheel. Much of the "reference material" i was alluding to could serve as a template for our "product". I don't advocate re-authoring entire POH's.. rather.. come up with powerplant sections (and how they integrate to other relevant systems). Likewise, "test" recommendations could focus on the rotary engine specific aspects and be presented as an "addendum" to existing recommended industry literature. I'd much rather write a few chapters than a whole book.... With regards to "making a Rotary Engine" version of the EAA. That is both close to, and far from.. the truth. Organization and structure give credibility, and reliable results. Unfortunately, structure can be misused to oppress innovation.. so we all must be wary that we dont become "the safety police". On a personal note, I would think that simply forming an "online" EAA chapter focusing on rotary engines, of which anyone could be a member (after joining national) would not really be all that bad, regardless of how you feel national EAA is. There are certain benefits to being "in" EAA, and having our flight and technical advisors wear the EAA hat would give them some of the credibility that we seek (of course, we would still have to have our facts in place... but every little bit helps..). Those already in a chapter, this is not intended to compete with that chapter, rather it would/could complement it. 43 persons have opted in. As many have noted.. we are spread out across the country. The benefit is, we can cover a lot of ground. The problem is.. thats a lot of ground to cover. I am off for a few days. I intend to do something I havent done in weeks.. go build on the engine at the airport. I will sift back through the posts and start looking for volunteers and clarify any points that I may have erred in. While I am posting, I wanted to share something with you guys. Dave Leonard will probably recognize the following material, most of you will probably not, but the concept is sound. The American Heart Association sets guidelines for emergency cardiac care and resuscitation.. I know this because I use these guidelines QUITE frequently at work as an ICU nurse and former/inactive paramedic. They review the research and amend/update their guidelines every several years. A few years ago (read: sometime in the last decade), they came out with a recommendation system: Class 1 interventions: Universally accepted and beneficial - "Very Good Thing" and "proven" Class 2 interventions: Not proven, or.. "may be helpful, may be harmful" Further broken down into 2a: probably helpful and also into 2b: probably harmful. Usually this means that its something that has been "usual practice for a long time, but no real studies to PROVE it works". You would be genuinely surprised how much of modern medicine falls into "class 2 interventions" Class 3: May be harmful, doesn't work, doesn't improve survival. As a whole, these designations are proposed by committees. I readily admit that politics and egos have sway in the medical end of things. Someone on the committee who did pioneering work 30 years ago may DEMAND inclusion of his "intervention" that he developed, even though NOW it would no longer be considered appropriate or first-line therapy. Without opening up the whole can of worms about "safety police" I want to just leave this idea with you.. every thing we do (group, non-group, regular aviation, whatever).. think about what we are doing.. are we doing something because its proven? because thats the way we've always done it or because someone very convincing came along and said "DO IT" even though it doesn't look all that great. Wether we formally rate things, or not.. apply that test on a personal level to things we do. I am not advocating overburdening analyses, and ignoring practical experience... just sharing a point of view that may or may not be helpful. Goodnight(morning) Dave