X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.240] (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTP id 961078 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:16:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.240; envelope-from=haywire@telus.net Received: from Endurance ([205.250.241.163]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050523201559.TTAB19994.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@Endurance> for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 14:15:59 -0600 From: "Todd Bartrim" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Technical Advisor and official rotary association Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:15:32 -0700 Message-ID: <018201c55fd4$2ceea530$0101a8c0@Endurance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0183_01C55F99.808FCD30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0183_01C55F99.808FCD30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message I realize I am the only voice that is not enthusiastic about the formation of the safety police. Jerry Well, you've been the only "voice", but you're not the only one who opposes this idea. I've been sitting back and just hoping this fizzles out on it's own. Rusty (in trouble now) Hi Jerry, Rusty, etc; You're not alone in this sentiment as I absolutely despise bureaucracy, however I do support the efforts that are being made here. I am concerned however that too much authority could be wielded by certain authoritarian types, but I also wouldn't want anybody refused membership either (ya'll know who I'm talkin' about) as this could be turned against us as well. I love the entire experimentation experience and while I value input from others, there are some ideas that I've had that I just had to try. Some worked well and some didn't, but I've survived all of them and learned allot in the process. But I'm also noticing more interest in the rotary installation from builders that don't really have the desire to experiment as some of us do, but instead have been waiting for an easy standard installation to be developed. Some of those are now building or about to build and would benefit from a technical advisor team. This could help prevent another tragedy and also reduce the negative publicity that the rotary would undoubtly receive, which would be a benefit to all of us, particularly those that carry full insurance. In no way would I want to see them have any sort of power to prevent those of us who prefer to experiment from incorporating new ideas in order to improve the installation in favour of making us comply with standard practices. However great care would need to be taken to ensure the organization is never railroaded by any power hungry individual eager to make his ideas "the law". What I'm much more interested in, is to have this organization be accepted by the NTSB in order that they be included or at least consulted during an investigation in order for us to attempt to learn the truth behind some of these accidents, while also doing our best to ensure the rotary isn't used as a convenient scapegoat as to the accident cause. Tracy's manual is often cited as a great guideline and while I bought it and certainly learned from it, I would suggest that it is out of date as Tracy's installation has also evolved over time from his own experimentation. I would like to see him write another book (after he develops a datalogger:-) based on the knowledge he has learned in the last few years with his Renesis installation in the Otter as well as the 20B in the RV8. I'd certainly buy it, if for no other reason than to be entertained. Todd Bartrim RV9Endurance 13B Turbo Rotary C-FSTB http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard work and determination to the things they do." ------=_NextPart_000_0183_01C55F99.808FCD30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 I realize I am the only = voice that is=20 not enthusiastic about the formation of the safety police.=20 Jerry  
 
Well, you've=20 been the only "voice", but you're not the only one who opposes this = idea.  I've been sitting back and just hoping this fizzles out on = it's=20 own.  
Rusty (in=20 trouble now)  =20
 
 
Hi=20 Jerry, Rusty, etc;
    You're not alone in this sentiment as I = absolutely despise=20 bureaucracy, however I do support the efforts that are being made here. = I am=20 concerned however that too much authority could be wielded by certain=20 authoritarian  types, but I also wouldn't want anybody refused = membership=20 either (ya'll know who I'm talkin' about) as this could be turned = against us as=20 well.
    I love the entire experimentation experience = and while=20 I value input from others, there are some ideas that I've had that I = just had to=20 try. Some worked well and some didn't, but I've survived all of them and = learned=20 allot in the process.
    But I'm also noticing more interest in the = rotary=20 installation from builders that don't really have the desire to = experiment as=20 some of us do, but instead have been waiting for an easy standard = installation=20 to be developed. Some of those are now building or about to build and = would=20 benefit from a technical advisor team. This could help prevent another = tragedy=20 and also reduce the negative publicity that the rotary would undoubtly = receive,=20 which would be a benefit to all of us, particularly those that carry = full=20 insurance.
     In no way would I want to see = them have any=20 sort of power to prevent those of us who prefer to experiment from=20 incorporating new ideas in order to improve the installation in favour = of making=20 us comply with standard practices. However great care would need to be = taken to=20 ensure the organization is never railroaded by any power hungry = individual eager=20 to make his ideas "the law".
    What I'm much more interested in, is to have = this=20 organization be accepted by the NTSB in order that they be included or = at least=20 consulted during an investigation in order for us to attempt to learn = the truth=20 behind some of these accidents, while also doing our best to ensure the = rotary=20 isn't used as a convenient scapegoat as to the accident=20 cause.
    Tracy's manual is often cited as a great = guideline and=20 while I bought it and certainly learned from it, I would suggest that it = is out=20 of date as Tracy's installation has also evolved over time from his own=20 experimentation. I would like to see him write another book (after he = develops a=20 datalogger:-) based on the knowledge he has learned in the last few = years=20 with his Renesis installation in the Otter as well as the 20B in the = RV8. I'd=20 certainly buy it, if for no other reason than to be=20 entertained.
 
Todd Bartrim
 
RV9Endurance
13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
http://www3.telus.= net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm
 
          &nbs= p; =20 "The world will always have a place for those that bring hard work and=20 determination to the things they = do."
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